mining claim? Options

[johnclaims]

John, we know you are lurking.... even when you log in invisibly, you show up to those of us who know how to look.

Just reading.

[Caveman]

Then why log in invisibly?

[johnclaims]

Then why log in invisibly?

Very new at this. I don't even know what that is. I just go to the link and I am logged in already

[swizz]

How do you acquire the claims that you sell?

[Denise]

Great question Swizz, hopefully John will answer you here.

[johnclaims]

How do you acquire the claims that you sell?

Hi swizz, I first find targeted areas that I think may be good sites, then I make sure that area is open to mining through the maps the BLM have and the Master Plat, then I check to make sure that there is not already a claim on the site through the LR2000. If there is one close (Because the LR2000 is not too specific), I have the BLM documents department send me the Cert. of Loc. on those claims close to my potential spot and compare the legal descriptions to make sure I don't claim on someone elses claim, then if it all checks out, it is time for the fun stuff. I go to the location and pan, pan, pan. If I find something like gold, I then stake the Claim, put signs up, use a GPS and a GPS camera. Then within 30 days, I file the documents with the County and within 90 days with the BLM. Out of the potential areas I look at, around 80% are flops (Or at least I couldn't find anything), so I don't claim those. This is probably more detailed than what you were looking for, and I may have forgotten one of my steps as I am shooting off the hip right now, but this is my general way.

[johnclaims]

Great question Swizz, hopefully John will answer you here.

Hi Mrs.CP, I am new at this, but I sent something to swizz just then.

[swizz]

This is probably more detailed than what you were looking for, and I may have forgotten one of my steps as I am shooting off the hip right now, but this is my general way.

John,
Thank you for the response, very much appreciated.
Contrary to "probably more detailed than what I was looking for".... I'm feeling quite the opposite.
There are huge red flags in the response you posted as well as the other PM response that you sent to Caveman regarding the question. I don't want to dissect it until you have a chance to fully lay out your process. Since you are in Florida and these claims are in Colorado.... and cannot be legally researched, discovered, staked, and recorded without boots on the ground... I would like to know more about your timelines. In another message you stated that a goal on one trip was to stake 200 claims in Colorado. A ridiculous feat. You stated that you were disappointed that you only had time to stake 40 claims while you were here. Also a magnificently huge feat. That one trip must have lasted about a year for you to have done that much due diligence.
So.... amongst other things... that is one of several red flags in your posted research and staking process (from the little I've gathered). It is possible that you are paper claiming over some existing claims and private property without knowing (or caring) and selling them, I don't know. That's not legal. You most definitely can be brought to justice for this.
We want to verify that you are not illegally paper filing scores of Colorado mineral claims from Florida and selling them to our fine Colorado friends and family. We are a miner's advocate type of family here.
Sure, there are things known as due diligence and the prudent man law which generally were put in place to protect miners but they are difficult to enforce. That aside, there are other traceable and actionable problems with your process as described. I'm assuming that you left steps out as suggested so I'll give you the benefit of further clarifying. I don't want myself or others to fly off the handle without you laying it out 100%. Please do this when you have the time.
The best thing I can recommend is to sit down and lay out your full set of steps for review instead of "shooting off the hip right now" as you said you just did. No hurry, think about it and lay it out. We are all curious as to how you go about this legally in our state from Florida. It's an awful lot of claims which you are profiteering from according to your 200/40 numbers in one trip. That's known as "blanket claiming" (in addition to the flipping) and can certainly draw hearty attention from the Feds if notified.

[fenixsmom]

So, while you where out and about on your trip(s) did you stop in at the county clerk & recorder and the assessor? When you transferred the claims to the new owners did you walk your new clients through the transfer process and did they correctly file with the involved agencies? I know someone that was eyeballing one of your claims on ebay and I've been curious of the proper process. I'm also curious how you where able to carpet claim the Geneva basin. The time involved to map all the claims and the mineral discovery seems like it would have taken a long time.
Thank you for any response.

[CP]

Just to finalize this thread for future readers clarification. I wouldn’t expect to hear anymore from johnclaims folks. He emailed us asking to have his forum user account “deactivated” since he couldn’t find a way to do that himself.
We told him….. “There is no “deactivate” on forum users, they are either used accounts (active) or they are not used (inactive) by the users themselves. Don’t use it in the future if you don’t want to, then it’s not active.”

He’s not banned from here and hasn’t responded to our reply from 4 days ago either on his deactivate request. We did let him know we could remove his emails from both accounts if he wished though.

As far as his bs story of accounts (his wife’s) mysteriously being created by friendly hackers at his own address are of course absurd. Any registered forum user here knows they initiated the registration themselves, it doesn’t just happen.

I think you’ve all done an excellent job of reviewing this company and its claim staking/selling practices.
In my opinion… There is absolutely no way that 200 targets could be checked with an end 40 claims staked….including making 40 actual discoveries…..wow amazing!, staking (4+? Corners, discovery and location), and filing for ALL 40 CLAIMS IN ONE TRIP!?
COME ON! Really, that must have been one heck of a trip that lasted for months and months and months. I just can’t buy it nope.

Also I’m very familiar with the Geneva creek area for instance, at one time I drove it daily. I know for a fact there are more than just a few parcels of private land all up and down that little canyon clear to the top. Since there was no mention of those being checked for in Johns research processes, I would not be at all surprised if someone were to find their new claim on private lands after purchase from him.
I don’t know this to be the case just an observation, but I sure think it would be hard to fit 40 placer claims up there that easily.
Still wondering how long that "claiming trip" took

The history of the area vs the recent “rush” of his claim staking doesn’t really wash right either if you know what I mean.

Between a few big red flags such as those (there are many more), and some of the wild proclamations on the sales pages for these claims, I recommend that folks steer clear, DO NOT buy any claims from them!
Just my :2c:2cents worth or is that 2 bits and change?

[Coalbunny]

Of all things. I don't come around for a bit and all this fun and excitement happens? Hmmm. I'm starting to feel left out....

[fenixsmom]

Whats up with that? Where have you been Carl? Hope all is well.

[amie812]

This guy is still selling mining claims on ebay, so he must not be a complete scam artist. I read through a couple of his completed listings, I'm not buying one on ebay but it was pretty interesting.

[Crusty]

This guy is still selling mining claims on ebay, so he must not be a complete scam artist. I read through a couple of his completed listings, I'm not buying one on ebay but it was pretty interesting.

eBay isn't validating the legality of the claims... as long as they get their cut they're happy.

[amie812]

Ok, I went back and read most of the 6 pages of this thread, and now I see what the fuss is about! I think he's just selling overpriced camping areas! Not gonna get rich on your claim but it's nice to go relax there, coming from a guy that owned a travel company and tells you the fishing is great, and you might find a speck of gold, but if you don't there are casinos close and nice hotels....