I imagine ebay doesn't offer any protections there, or do they? Auction timelines may not be conducive to accomplishing that due diligence. Caveat emptor

Caveman is wrong. EMSS, Inc. is NOT the company investigated, in fact, I bought a Claim from EMSS, Inc., as have many as you can see by their great feedback on Ebay, and they did a great job for me. Not only did I buy a Claim from them, but I bought another recently and one of my friends did also. John was a ton of help and the company has been in business for like 16 years. I would recommend this company and I even called the BLM originally to check them out, and the girl there had all kinds of good things to say specifically about them. Give the BLM a call, if you don't believe me. When I saw this thread, it really irked me because of the great job they did for me.

Caveman is wrong. EMSS, Inc. is NOT the company investigated, in fact, I bought a Claim from EMSS, Inc., as have many as you can see by their great feedback on Ebay, and they did a great job for me. Not only did I buy a Claim from them, but I bought another recently and one of my friends did also. John was a ton of help and the company has been in business for like 16 years. I would recommend this company and I even called the BLM originally to check them out, and the girl there had all kinds of good things to say specifically about them. Give the BLM a call, if you don't believe me. When I saw this thread, it really irked me because of the great job they did for me.

Hello prospector3! Welcome to the forums!

Caveman is not wrong, he was simply reporting the info he found when he tried to find out more about the company. Even if these two companies are not tied in any way, I am glad he brought the other one up so folks here can have more info if they look into it themselves. Several members here including myself see many red flags when looking at this company's dealings. I have tried a few times to get a hold of someone from the company to see if I could go test a claim they had for sale and never can get any strait info from them. Seeing as you bought a claim from them maybe you can help me with some questions I have that they are unable or unwilling to address. I notice that once a claim is sold the ownership is being transferred at the BLM office. Is the same being done at the county office? Have you seen the proper paperwork filed at the BLM office and County office? Are you able to find your claim boundaries on the ground? Not just a map but boundary markers? If someone comes prospecting near your claim do you know for sure when they are on your claim or not? I have another question that only you can answer as a customer of this company. Do you feel that your claim has enough mineral value to pay off the purchase price and pay for your time? Is it profitable? Or is it just a place to go have some fun prospecting?

I appreciate any answers you can give. Thanks!
Mike

Hmmm..... I am having a little problem with this... that info is out there on the internet for all to see, and I only reported what I found to be most reliable.... I also found some shenanigans, but they are definitely not reliable, and would most definitely be slander or worse - IF I POSTED HERE. What I posted were newspaper reports, and I also found another EMS Inc, in Hawaii - an electric company, and it's address was NOT on the aforementioned reports. EMSS in Fla was. I MERELY stated to CALL EMSS in Florida to see if they were the ones selling the claim, and that if they were not, to avoid. Earthly Mineral Solutions was, or still is, definitely under investigation by the SEC for fraud, and this can be proven. EMSS Inc, or EMS Inc, both have been used by the same operator, and this alone raises red flags as those who commit fraud commonly change their names to hide their tracks. If complaining that I am wrongfully accusing someone because they share a name, but are unrelated, I'm sorry - but they should also differentiate themselves somehow from the ones under investigation. I WILL NOT apologize for posting fact, or for giving warning based on that fact. Also - I am readily available through PM. I mean no insult, or harm - but I will continue to post provable fact when I find it to help protect my fellow prospectors.

Adding new links to what I found....

http://www.sec.gov/litigation/admin/2011/34-65593.pdf

http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/2007/lr20237.htm

https://www.sec.gov/litigation/admin/2011/34-65270.pdf

http://www.fbi.gov/stlouis/press-releases/2009/sl091409a.htm

https://books.google.com/books?id=-vf0zeIKT...SEC&f=false

Hi Prospector3 and welcome to CP.
In regard to the above quote.... it is unlawful for a BLM employee to give advice or recommend a company, especially pertaining to mineral claims. Despite that, I'd be interested in "giving them a call" as you suggest above.
Could you please tell me which office has "the girl that had all kinds of good things to say specifically about them" that you personally spoke to?
and..... did this conversation take place recently? I won't try to get her in trouble, don't care what her name is (although it would be nice to hear her personal recommendation like you did)... just want to verify what she and that particular Federal office are saying regarding this company. I don't know you either... so we'd all like to verify what you're stating as well. Your name, as a satisfied customer to this company, would be helpful too.
So, I'll take you up on "giving them a call". What is the phone number + State and County of the specific BLM office you received this recommendation from? I can call them tomorrow morning.
THANKS!

Swizz is correct there is no way the BLM "endorses" this or any company. Good job Swizz!!
Look forward to hearing what you find out with that phone call too.

Not sure what the confusion seems to be about in Caveman's post quoted either, I thought it was very clear in his post that there were two separate companies he mentioned the first time I read it. No confusion there at all!

I want to know more about EMSS, Inc. Who are they? What does EMSS stand for? When were they founded? Are they publically held, and if so - who is the CEO? If not, who is the owner? What state do they operate out of? How many employees do they have? These are legitimate questions, and any legitimate company will happily provide this info upon request to ANYBODY. If they are publically held, then they would be REQUIRED to provide this info plus their financials upon request. Even if they are an "S" corporation, they still have to provide this info. I would investigate ANY company doing speculative land deals, which is what claims are. And since these claims are Federally Administered Lands, they are REQUIRED to be open with this info, or they simply cannot do business dealings with Public Lands legally. If they are unwilling, are unable, or hedge around giving this info - BIG RED FLAGS, and I don't give a shit what their reasoning is. Why am I suspicious? BECAUSE I CANNOT FIND ONE DAMN THING ABOUT THEM other than what I found on "Earthly Mineral Solutions". Answer Swizz's and my questions, and then maybe we will be more accepting.

I do have to say this: after further deep diving late last night and this morning, I have found that there is no connection between EMSS, Inc (based in Florida) and Earthly Mineral Solutions (based in Nevada). I have not delved into EMSS, Inc.'s EBay ratings, so I cannot say anything - positive or negative - as to what I have heard because that would be hearsay, but I do encourage those who are interested to check their listings, and their ratings, and - above all - to do your due diligence as to land status, claim status, etc. if you are at all interested in their offerings. And to be very careful, as buying claims is - at the very best - a risky endeavor. I personally would like to do my own prospecting.

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I try to give good feedback on a good experience I had with a seller, and you all jump all over me. That is just typical? As a female in this industry, I suppose that I should not be surprised. So now let me clarify that no federal employee recommended and or gave me advice about a company or person what so ever relating to a Mining Claim. I just was making sure that people should know that these 2 companies are not related in the least bit.

Mike, I will try to answer your questions, Yes, through the county also, yes,boundaries with GPS, no idea if they are on my claim year round as it is public land, pay for the purchase, I did not buy it for that or profitability, just for fun. I hope this helps. I am surprised that you did not get these answers from them. Try again, might be an email junk mail thing??

Your profile doesn't state that you're female, so not sure what "being a female in the industry" has to do with the perceived "jumping all over." His point was your initial post as a new person to the forum made a statement which goes against what is normal and legal, implying the BLM would give this company positive reviews, which they aren't allowed to do.

This thread was started with a query on what club members thought of the ebay listings. Members chimed in and have since acknowledged these two companies aren't the same. I looked at the seller and it would appear, having sold more than 30 claims with positive feedback, you aren't the only satisfied customer.

I'd love to hear more about your experience, validating what the company has advertised on their ebay listings and what you found when actually going to your claim. Is it all marked and all the paperwork filed correctly? Any luck finding gold on the claim?

Paying someone 10x as much as it would take to do the legwork yourself seems a bit steep, but if it is all legit and your claim is paying out, then there is obviously a market for the service they are providing.

Thanks for taking the time to respond and welcome to the forum!

Prospector3 - you were not jumped on, you were asked perfectly valid questions, and I posted perfectly valid and acceptable questions that should be asked about the company you purchased your claim from. Also - as far as the sale, you would have to be the one to refile the claim with the BLM, and EMSS would have to file a "Quit Claim". And, as the purchaser of the claim, you would have to go and mark the claim boundaries, and perform a location discovery all over again for the claim to be valid. Have you done this? If not, your claim may be disqualified when it undergoes review at the BLM. As the claim owner, YOU are responsible for the proper filing, now - even if EMSS made the mistake. One of the reasons why we here at CP are against the "commercial" sale of claims is that too many people think that all the work of filing has been done, without realizing that they HAVE to redo all that land status research, legwork, fieldwork, groundwork, and checking with the county all over again in order to have a valid claim. There are no shortcuts. I am glad that you are happy with you claim, and EMSS - That alone is priceless, no matter what you paid, and it does not matter whether or not you break even on the purchase price. Good luck, and as some say - Heavy Pans! Have Fun Out There!!!

There is a lot of passion floating around this thread. Possibility being misinterpreted as an attack. Just an outside perspective. Thank you for your feedback prospector3! Thank you gentleman for the follow-up information and legal clarification!