Mohs Hardness, Another tool for Id'ing your finds. Options

[CP]

Mohs scale of hardness is a great tool to help Id stuff we all find.

Lets have a look at what that is and how we can use it in the field.
Also we will compare Mohs scale to "absolute" hardness which gives us more of an idea how much each hardness differs......you will be suprised.

Here's some info about Mohs from Wikipedia's pages....

The Mohs scale of mineral hardness characterizes the scratch resistance of various minerals through the ability of a harder material to scratch a softer material. It was created in 1812 by the German mineralogist Friedrich Mohs and is one of several definitions of hardness in materials science. Mohs based the scale on ten minerals that are all readily available. As the hardest known naturally occurring substance, diamond is at the top of the scale. The hardness of a material is measured against the scale by finding the hardest material that the given material can scratch, and/or the softest material that can scratch the given material
For example, if some material is scratched by apatite but not by fluorite, its hardness on the Mohs scale would fall between 4 and 5.

Now.....Onto common test materials used.........
On the Mohs scale, a pencil lead has a hardness of - 1
a fingernail has hardness - 2.5
a copper penny, about - 3.5
a knife blade - 5.5
window glass - 5.5
steel file - 6.5
Using these ordinary materials of known hardness can be a simple way to approximate the position of a mineral on the scale.

And the Mohs Scale itself along side what is called "absolute" hardness.

Mohs..............Mineral....................Absolute
1----------------------Talc--------------------------1
2---------------------Gypsum----------------------2
3----------------------Calcite-----------------------9
4----------------------Fluorite----------------------21
5----------------------Apatite----------------------48
6-------------Orthoclase/Feldspar-----------72
7----------------------Quartz----------------------100
8----------------------Topaz-----------------------200
9---------------------Corundum-------------------400
10--------------------Diamond--------------------1500


You can view the page at Wikipedia-Mohs hardness for lots more information on this.

CP

[russau]

i need to laminate this scale to keep in my trailer. i keep losing the other ones that i had.thankyou!

[CP]

You are very welcome Russ.

Now for all of you reading this thread and checkin' out the wiki info........
What is harder than 10?


CP

[russau]

11???? or Fullerite <10 and <10 aggregated diamond nanorods

[jim]

All five of my kids heads.

[Denise]

I wonder where they get that from Jim.....hehe

Im going to pin this topic. Shouldnt have to dig for good info.

[russau]

a good idea for this is to add it to your mineral identification kit if you have one. it consists of all the common items that you can readily get to do you scratch test. these atleast allow you to narrow the choices down to a smaller group to identify.i also have a book that i bought thatll help me narrow them down further. but still i have problems getting it correct.even the picture here on this site(kids corner) will help narrow your choices. but a lot of minerals (to me) look alike still!

[GeneYo]

The easiest way to remember the Mohs Scale of Hardness is to the memorize this sentence:

Texas Girls Can Fix All Fools Quailing The Cowboys Dream.

T (Texas) = Talc
G (Girls) = Gympsum
C (Can) - Calcilte
F (Fix) = Feldspar
A (All) = Apatite
F (Fools) = Feldspar
Q (Quailing) = Quartz
T (The) = Topaz
C (Cowboys) = Corundum
D (Dream) = Diamond

Remember this sentence and you'll be able to quote the Mohs Scale of Hardness whenever needed.

While this is nothing I carry you can purchase hardness testers which are nothing more than a case containing scribes of different hardness corresponding to the Mohs Scale of Hardness.

[russau]

that dont work for me! when i start saying that i get as far as Texas girls and my mind starts wandering!

[Denise]

Another tip when testing for hardness........
When using a penny, make sure you use a copper one made in 1982 or before.

[CP]

Russ got it right too........Fullerite and diamond nanorods, those are 10+ on the Mohs scale. Very interesting how they create them too.
Great info everyone!

[Denise]

Here is a chart that we have. It varies a bit from the Wiki page with the hardness scale but I think this one is correct.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[Denise]

Some great info in this thread for those looking to help identify some of their finds.