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California SB 670 (anti dredging bill), link to text 2 versions, committee analysis reports and bill tracking
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post Jun 7 2009, 12:13 AM
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I put some information together on SB 670 (the California anti dredging bill). You can find it at Equal Access to Justice Article I have included bill tracking report, Committee Analysis Reports, and the Full text of the bill as of Feb. 27th and also the version that was amended as of May 19th. The linked docs are in PDF so should be easy to download.
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QUOTE (wheasonjr @ Jun 7 2009, 12:13 AM) *
I put some information together on SB 670 (the California anti dredging bill). You can find it at Equal Access to Justice Article I have included bill tracking report, Committee Analysis Reports, and the Full text of the bill as of Feb. 27th and also the version that was amended as of May 19th. The linked docs are in PDF so should be easy to download.
Walter H. Eason, Jr.
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America's Mining and Prospecting
Gold Life (GPAA)

38 million people in California and tell me the word is getting out on this issue. Show me the news coverage. Show me a winner. R
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http://www.icmj.com/news-detail.php?id=31&...t_in_California



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07/09/2009
Suction gold dredging grinds to a halt in California
An Alameda County Superior Court Judge ruled in favor of the plaintiffs today, ordering the state of California to stop issuing suction dredge permits until a new Environmental Impact Report is completed.

Judge Roesch of Alameda County Superior Court, California, issued his ruling in Leeon Hillman; Craig Tucker; David Bitts; et. al., v. California Department of Fish and Game. Hillman, of the Karuk Tribe in northern California, and friends, sued the DFG to stop the issuance of permits for suction gold dredging in California until the state completes a court ordered Environmental Impact Report (EIR).

Public Lands for the People (PLP), along with the New 49'ers and Raymond W. Koons, intervened in this case on behalf of miners.

This latest attack was based on an earlier court case, where Judge Bonnie Sabraw had ordered the state to complete a new EIR in a December 2006 ruling. This was largely based on a sworn statement from a DFG official who claimed that suction dredge mining under current regulations causes deleterious effects on Coho salmon in the Klamath, Scott and Salmon Rivers. Keep in mind that the DFG provided no studies or other evidence to back up these claims. Judge Sabraw allowed suction dredge mining to continue, but ordered the state to complete a new EIR by June 20, 2008.

The state recently hired a contractor to begin the EIR process, but the court-imposed deadline passed over one year ago.

In the new court case, the plaintiffs argued that the state was beyond the deadline and was in violation of the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA) because they failed to adopt new regulations.

The plaintiffs requested a temporary restraining order and a preliminary and permanent injunction enjoining the state from expending any general fund money to issue permits or operate the suction dredging program under current regulations. Judge Roech granted this request.

We have not yet received the judge's ruling, but we will post it here when available. It may be true that suction dredge permits already issued will remain valid for this dredging season. The injunction will likely remain in effect until the state of California completes a new EIR and rulemaking, or until it is overturned by another court order.

What's Next
As many of our readers know, mining is a right. It can be reasonably regulated but not prohibited. Public Lands for the People is already preparing a lawsuit to correct this prohibition against suction dredging. According to PLP president Jerry Hobbs, it will likely be a month before they are ready to file it in federal court.

In the meantime, I urge each of you to make a contribution to PLP. They already have four lawsuits in progress on behalf of miners -- this will be number five -- and attorney fees will be ongoing. Keene Engineering has started the donations off with a $5,000 contribution. You can make a tax-deductible donation online via PayPal or by mail:

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c/o Barrett Wetherby
3700 Santa Carlotta
La Crescenta, CA 91214

Update: Judge Roesch's order (14-page pdf file, 1.7Mb).

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post Jul 17 2009, 08:11 PM
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Amazing - for a state that's bankrupt, can't pay bills, issues IOU's, and is laying off public workers, they're going to waste more taxpayer funds in court and on an EIR for something which has already been proven to not have a negative impact on fish populations. Glad I'm not there - just hope they don't start that here.
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post Jul 18 2009, 04:51 AM
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the EIS has already been paid for awhile back and its court ordered. the F.S. probly already spent the money on rasies or something else other than what it was intended for.meanwhile itll be in court,making the lawyers more money at our expense.
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UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE EASTERN DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA



PUBLIC LANDS FOR THE PEOPLE, INC., a California 501 C-3, non-profit corporation; Gerald E. Hobbs; Patrick Keene; Keene Engineering Co., Inc., a California corporation; Robert Haiduck; Terry Stapp; Dee Stapp; David DeCosta; James Gregory Lee; Mike Holt; Todd Bracken; Shannon Poe; and David Richard,

Plaintiffs,
v.

State of California; Arnold Schwarzenegger, in his official capacity as Governor of the State of California; California Department of Fish & Game; and Donald Koch, in his official capacity as Director, California Department of Fish & Game; and Does 1-20,

Defendants.

CIVIL ACTION NO.
COMPLAINT FOR:

Adjudication of Federal Preemption and Supremacy Relating to the Mining Laws of the United States;
Deprivation of Property Rights and Due Process of Law; Denial of Equal Protection of the Laws; Taking of Property Without Compensation; Violation of Civil Rights; Violation of the Mining and Minerals Policy Act of 1970, 30 U.S.C. § 21a; Violation of 30 U.S.C. §§ 21-54 (Mining Act); Violation of Plaintiffs’ Implied Rights to Use Public Lands (Quiet Title); Unlawful Interference With Commerce; Injunctive Relief; and Damages.

DEMAND FOR JURY TRIAL

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JURISDICTION AND VENUE
1. Jurisdiction is proper in this Court under 28 U.S.C. § 1331 because this action arises under the laws of the United States. The conduct complained of creates an actual, justiciable controversy. The California legislature has passed an act, SB 670, and the Governor of California, the Honorable Arnold Schwarzenegger has signed into law SB 670, prohibiting all motorized mining, including vacuum and suction dredge mining, in the rivers, streams, and waterways of California, in derogation of Federal law authorizing, protecting, and permitting such mining.
2. This Court has jurisdiction, among other matters, pursuant to 28 U.S.C. § 1331 (federal question), §§ 2201, 2202 (declaratory relief), § 2202 (injunctive relief), and § 2409(a) (quiet title).
3. This action arises under the various acts, regulations, laws, and constitutions, as set forth in paragraph 8.
4. This Court has the power to grant declaratory and injunctive relief pursuant to 28 U.S.C. §§ 2201 and 2202.
5. This lawsuit requests judicial review of final actions taken by the Defendants (or their predecessors-in-interest). Defendants’ actions unlawfully abrogate, prescribe, and/or prohibit Federal statutorily prescribed rights of unpatented mining claim owners, miners and prospectors as well as violating Federal statutorily prescribed methods relating to mining and prospecting on Federal lands in the State of California.
6. Defendants are attempting to unlawfully alter the entire Federal regulatory framework for citizens, miners and prospectors in the State of California by adopting a rigid, narrow, and single-focus policy regarding closure of all rivers, streams, and waterways to motorized mining methods, including without limitation, vacuum and suction dredge mining. Defendants failed to consider any meaningful alternatives which could be applied specifically to miners, prospectors, and other citizens who are potential miners and prospectors.
7. This is an action for declaratory judgment, injunctive relief (Rule 65, Federal Rules of Civil Procedure), as well as for damages incurred by Plaintiffs. The Plaintiffs request the Court to declare unlawful, enjoin implementation of, and set aside the promulgation and adoption by the legislature and the Governor of California of the prohibition of all motorized means of mining in the rivers, streams, and waterways of California, including without limitation, vacuum and suction dredge mining, not only as it applies to miners and prospectors, but also all other members of the public who are potential mining claimants, miners and prospectors.
8. The Plaintiffs seek an Order from this Court declaring that Defendants’ actions in adopting and implementing a prohibition of all motorized methods of mining, including without limitation, vacuum and suction dredge mining in the rivers, streams, and waterways of California as applied to miners and prospectors, and those who intend to become miners and prospectors, violated the following:
A. National Environmental Policy Act (“NEPA”), 42 U.S.C. § 4321 et seq. (1969); and Executive Orders: EO 12291 and EO 12866;
B. Multiple Use Sustained Yield Act (“MUSYA”), 16 U.S.C. § 528 et seq. (1960);
C. Numerous sections of the Code of Federal Regulations (“CFR”), as set forth in 36 CFR 228 et seq.; 36 CFR 261 et seq.; 43 CFR 3800; 43 CFR 3809.1 et seq., including without limitation 43 CFR 3809.3; and also including without limitation, numerous other sections of the CFRs regulating mining, prospecting, and associated activities on Federal lands.
D. The Federal Lands Policy and Management Act (“FLPMA”) 43 U.S.C. § 1701 et seq., including without limitation §§ 1732(b), 1761 and 1769;
E. PL No. 104-208, 110 Stat.3009 § 108 (Omnibus Consolidated Appropriations Act of 1997);
F. 30 U.S.C. §§ 21-54 (Mining Act), including without limitation the Mining and Minerals Policy Act of 1970, 30 U.S.C. § 21(a);
G. 16 U.S.C. § 481 (Use of Waters);
H. 30 U.S.C. § 612, 613, 615 (Multiple Surface Use Act);
I. 5 U.S.C. §§ 601, 602, 603(b) and © (Regulatory Flexibility Act As Amended By The Small Business Regulatory Enforcement Fairness Act of 1996 (5 U.S.C. §§ 801-808) [SBREFA]);
J. The Endangered Species Act 16 U.S.C. § 1531;
K. California Civil Code § 3479 et seq.;
L. California Code of Civil Procedure § 731;
M. The 5th and 14th Amendments to the Constitution of the United States;
N. Article I § 8 (Commerce Clause) of the Constitution of the United States;
O. Article I § 7(a) of the Constitution of California; and
P. Article I § 19 of the Constitution of California.
9. Venue is proper in this Court pursuant to 28 U.S.C. §§ 1331, 1391(b) and (e), and
because the events and omissions giving rise to Plaintiffs’ claims occurred within this judicial district.

INTRODUCTION
10. This case presents a classic conflict between prospectors, miners who hold unpatented or patented mining claims on Federal lands pursuant to the mining laws of the United States, and the State of California, Department of Fish and Game (“DF&G”). Until recently, DF&G issued permits for vacuum and suction dredge prospecting and mining on such claims for rivers, streams, and waterways in the State of California running through such Federal mining claims and estates, and unclaimed Federal lands open to prospecting and mining.
11. Beginning on August 6, 2009, DF&G would no longer issue permits for vacuum and suction dredge mining on Federal mining claims, and cancelled all such permits previously issued. This had the effect of prohibiting vacuum and suction dredge mining and prospecting in the State of California on all Federal mining claims and lands, and unclaimed lands open to location and entry under the United States mining laws, and unlawfully prohibited the location, utilization and development of mining claims and mineral estates in California. This unlawfully affected and unconstitutionally burdened interstate and foreign commerce, since many of the prospectors, and mining claim and mineral estate owners, are non-residents of California who prospect or work their claims and mineral estates in California with vacuum and suction dredges. This affected not only California residents who are mining claim owners, prospectors and miners, but also non-resident mining claim owners, prospectors and miners who purchased non-resident permits from DF&G in order to engage in vacuum and suction dredge mining in the State of California. This also had the effect of stopping the sale of equipment and accessories for vacuum and suction dredge mining both within and without the State of California. This placed an unlawful, unconstitutional, and undue burden and restriction on interstate and foreign commerce in the sale of the aforesaid mining equipment and accessories.
12. The California DF&G claims authorization to issue permits for vacuum and suction dredge mining in the State of California, even when such mining occurs on Federal lands and is pursuant to the mining laws of the United States. California Fish and Game Code § 5653 et seq.; California Code of Regulations 14 CCR § 228. Waters within the boundaries of Federal lands, including National Forests, National Parks, and lands within the jurisdiction of the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) may be used for mining. 16 U.S.C. § 481. The attempt to stop suction dredge mining in California has a long and tangled history.
13. In 2004, the Karuk Tribe filed suit in the United States District Court in Oakland, California for declaratory and injunctive relief alleging improper management of suction dredge and other mining operations in waterways and riparian areas within the Klamath National Forest. The Karuk Tribe claimed violation of the National Forest Management Act, National Environmental Policy Act, and the Endangered Species Act. Judgment was rendered against the Karuk Tribe and for the defendants. Karuk Tribe of California vs. United States Forest Service, et al., 379 F.Supp.2d 1071 (2005). Anticipating a loss in Federal Court, the Karuk Tribe decided to try their legal luck in State Court. On May 6, 2005, the Karuk Tribe of California filed suit against the California Department of Fish and Game in the Superior Court of Alameda County. Karuk Tribe of California; and Leaf Hillman, Plaintiffs, v. California Department of Fish and Game; and Ryan Broddrick, Director, California Department of Fish and Game, Defendants, Case No. RG 05211597. The case was heard by Judge Bonnie Sabraw. Judge Sabraw is now retired, and the case was transferred to the Honorable Frank Roesch, Judge of the Superior Court, Alameda County. The object of this lawsuit was to stop all suction dredge mining in the Klamath, Scott, and Salmon Rivers, and specified tributaries, supposedly in order to protect Coho salmon. No notice was initially given to any miners that this litigation had been filed. The Karuk Tribe is headquartered on the Klamath River in Happy Camp, California.
14. The California Department of Fish and Game (“DF&G”) at first opposed the allegations of the Karuk Tribe as set forth in its Complaint. Soon however, DF&G decided to capitulate to the Karuk Tribe. DF&G, effective November 30, 2005, issued regulations severely restricting suction dredge mining in the Klamath, Scott, and Salmon Rivers and their tributaries. These regulations specifically referenced the litigation brought by the Karuk Tribe in Alameda County. In addition, the Karuk Tribe and DF&G presented to Judge Sabraw a “Proposed Stipulated Judgment,” and later a modified “Proposed Stipulated Judgment,” which would have enjoined and restrained DF&G from issuing permits for suction dredge mining “for the Klamath, Salmon, and Scott Rivers, their tributaries and thermal refugia.”
15. The first that the miners heard of the State Court litigation filed by the Karuk Tribe in Alameda County was approximately December 7, 2005, when they were refused suction dredge mining permits by DF&G affecting the whole State of California, because of the Karuk Tribe litigation. At this stage, Judge Sabraw had issued no order authorizing such prohibition. DF&G did this without any rule making authority or process whatsoever, or in compliance with any court order.
16. The mining claim owners and miners who were denied permits by DF&G contacted Mr. Hobbs, as President of PLP, and informed him of their situation. Mr. Hobbs informed other mining groups of the Karuk Tribe litigation, and the unilateral and unauthorized prohibitions placed on suction dredge mining in California by DF&G. Mr. Hobbs requested the Court not to sign the Proposed Stipulated Judgment (“PSJ”). In 2006, Mr. Hobbs, and another mining organization, were allowed by Judge Sabraw to intervene in the Karuk Tribe litigation. Mr. Hobbs immediately set about opposing the PSJ which the Karuk Tribe and DF&G had presented to Judge Sabraw.
17. After extensive briefings and hearings by all parties, on June 16, 2006, Judge Sabraw issued the Court’s “Order Denying Motion to Enter Judgment.” Judge Sabraw specifically found that the PSJ which would have prohibited suction dredge mining in the Klamath, Scott, and Salmon Rivers, and their tributaries, “was contrary to law and public policy.”
18. DF&G initially opposed the Karuk Tribe in the litigation before Judge Sabraw. However, DF&G has openly admitted that it does not want to be the agency administering suction dredge mining in California. Seeing an opportunity to rid itself of issuing permits for suction dredge mining, DF&G decided to switch horses in mid-stream.
19. Thereafter, DF&G changed its position and filed two affidavits from its officials and employees asserting that suction dredge mining could have an adverse effect on Coho Salmon in the litigation relating to the Klamath, Scott, and Salmon Rivers. The miners strongly disputed any such alleged admissions of DF&G.
20. No miner in California would ever rely on DF&G to protect his or her interest. The mining community in California has no confidence in DF&G to protect their interest in anything relating to mining.
21. Judge Sabraw encouraged all parties to enter into settlement negotiations. After two meetings in Sacramento, and much blood, sweat, and tears, all parties were finally able to reach settlement of the Karuk Tribe litigation. On December 20, 2006, Judge Sabraw entered the Court’s Order and Consent Judgment. The heart of the Court’s December 20, 2006, Order and Consent Judgment was that DF&G will conduct a review relating to the Klamath, Scott, and Salmon Rivers, pursuant to the California Environmental Quality Act (“CEQA”), Public Resources Code § 21000 et seq., which was to be completed within 18 months. During this period, suction dredge mining was to be permitted in the Klamath, Scott, and Salmon Rivers, and their tributaries. All requests for injunctive relief against DF&G barring suction dredge mining were withdrawn pending such environmental review. Thus, suction dredge mining continued pending an environmental determination as to whether any prohibition whatsoever would be justified.
22. The heart of Judge Sabraw’s Order and Consent Judgment reads as follows:
“THEREFORE, the Department is hereby ORDERED to conduct a further environmental review pursuant to CEQA of its suction dredge mining regulations and to implement, if necessary, via rulemaking, mitigation measures to protect the Coho salmon and/or other special status fish species in the watershed of the Klamath, Scott, and Salmon Rivers, listed as threatened or endangered after the 1994 EIR.”

23. The aforesaid review was to be completed within eighteen months, and the Court retained jurisdiction of the matter. DF&G was not able to complete the review in the time frame set by Judge Sabraw, claiming (a) that they could not do an EIR limited to only the Klamath, Scott and Salmon Rivers, but had to do an all inclusive statewide EIR; and (b) further claiming that the California financial crisis prevented it from being funded by the legislature to complete the DF&G unilaterally expanded statewide review. There is now pending a hearing before Judge Roesch to hold DF&G and its Director, Donald Koch, in contempt for failing to timely complete the DF&G inspired statewide review.
24. The two suspect affidavits filed by DF&G turned out to cost the State $230,000.00. The Karuk Tribe later filed a motion for attorneys fees against DF&G, who, after negotiations, agreed to and did pay the Karuk Tribe $230,000.00. The Karuk Tribe agreed to seek no further attorneys fees in the litigation before Judge Sabraw.
25. Although the Karuk Tribe consented to the judgment entered by Judge Sabraw on December 20, 2006, the Karuk Tribe then became an initiator and supporter of new legislation, AB 1032, which supposedly was meant to protect trout by prohibiting suction dredge gold mining in approximately sixty-eight rivers throughout California, including the Klamath, Scott, and Salmon Rivers. AB 1032 was unusual in referring numerous times to the Karuk Tribe litigation in Alameda County, still then pending before Judge Sabraw. AB 1032 by its terms was to remain in effect until January 1, 2011, unless DF&G has completed the CEQA environmental review prior to that date which has been mandated by Judge Sabraw in the Karuk Tribe litigation in Alameda County. Thus, the heart of AB 1032 was to prohibit suction dredge gold mining in sixty-eight rivers throughout California, including the Klamath, Scott, and Salmon Rivers, and their tributaries, until the CEQA environmental review is completed. This stood Judge Sabraw’s December 20, 2006, Order and Consent Judgment on its head.
26. Judge Sabraw refused to prohibit any such suction dredge mining, including gold mining, until the environmental review was completed. The environmental review had to be completed first in order to see whether or not any such prohibition would be justified. Even in the unlikely event an environmental review would justify suction dredge mining prohibitions in the Klamath, Scott, and Salmon Rivers; any such prohibition set forth in AB 1032 would be immediately repealed upon the completion of the environmental review ordered by Judge Sabraw. AB 1032 was inherently illogical, since it applied only to suction dredge gold mining, and allowed all other types of suction dredge mining, including mining for silver, copper, lead,
mercury, and other heavy metals and precious and semi-precious gems. However, AB 1032’s inherently illogical provisions were not its chief fault and defect.
27. AB 1032 was meant to subvert Judge Sabraw’s court order permitting suction dredge mining, including gold mining, in the Klamath, Scott, and Salmon Rivers pending an environmental review. AB 1032 was special, private, legislation that enhanced the Karuk Tribe’s economic and political position in a way that Judge Sabraw, after hearings and consideration, refused to sanction.
28. Plaintiff Gerald E. Hobbs testified before the legislature against the passage of AB 1032. However, AB 1032 was eventually passed and went to Governor Schwarzenegger for his signature. What AB 1032 was meant to do is make Governor Schwarzenegger a party to the subversion of a valid court order. AB 1032 struck at the very heart of a court’s authority to uphold the rule of law. Governor Schwarzenegger vetoed AB 1032.
29. In his veto message, Governor Schwarzenegger stated:
“I am returning Assembly Bill 1032 without my signature. The purpose of this bill is to protect fish and wildlife from the potential deleterious effects of suction dredge mining. Although I appreciate the author’s intent and the need to protect our fish, wildlife, and water resources, this bill is unnecessary. Current law gives the Department of Fish and Game (Department) the necessary authority to protect fish and wildlife resources from suction dredge mining. It has promulgated regulations and issues permits for this activity. Permits for suction dredge mining must ensure that these operations are not deleterious to fish and allow the Department to specify the type and size of equipment to be used. In its regulations, the Department may also designate specific waters or areas that are closed to dredging. It is unclear why this bill specifically targets a number of specific waterways for closure or further restrictions. The listed waterways represent only a small fraction of the waters in our State where suction dredging is occurring. The benefit or protection from such a minor closure is negligible and supports the notion that scientific environmental review should precede such decisions.”

30. After Governor Schwarzenegger vetoed AB 1032, legislative allies of the Karuk Tribe then attempted to stop suction dredge mining in California by attaching a prohibition of such mining to the California state budget bill. Governor Schwarzenegger line-item vetoed that attempt.
31. After the stealth attack on suction dredge mining via the state budget failed, the Karuk Tribe then petitioned the Department of Fish & Game to have suction dredge mining prohibited throughout California. DF&G rejected the Karuk Tribe’s petition.
32. This did not stop the Karuk Tribe’s longstanding attempt to end suction dredge mining in California. On February 5, 2009, three members and officials of the Karuk Tribe filed a purported taxpayers action in the Alameda County Superior Court seeking to stop suction dredge mining throughout all of California. Hillman et al. v. California Department of Fish and Game. Case No. RG009 434444. That case was eventually assigned to Judge Roesch, in light of his involvement with the prior Karuk Tribe litigation upon the retirement of Judge Sabraw.
33. After pointing out to the Court that the supposed outraged taxpayer Plaintiffs were really stand-ins for the Karuk Tribe, an amended Complaint was filed consisting of the Karuk Tribe, its three initial members, and a bevy of environmental groups and allies of the Karuk Tribe.
34. The same relief the Karuk Tribe sought in the taxpayer suit, Hillman v. DF&G, supra, could have been brought in the initial case heard by Judge Sabraw, Karuk Tribe v. DF&G, supra. That case is still subject to the Superior Court’s jurisdiction. However, since no further attorneys fees could be obtained in Karuk Tribe v. DF&G, a supposed taxpayers’ suit was initiated with the hope of obtaining further attorney’s fees. The State is concerned that in light of the Preliminary Injunction issued by Judge Roesch, they will be subject to further substantial attorney’s fees.
35. The Karuk Tribe then sought a Preliminary Injunction in the taxpayers’ action before Judge Roesch. On July 10, 2009, Judge Roesch issued a Preliminary Injunction, relying on the two suspect affidavits filed by officials and employees of DF&G relating to Coho salmon in the Klamath, Scott, and Salmon Rivers in the litigation initiated before Judge Sabraw.
36. The Preliminary Injunction ordered by Judge Roesch prohibited the California Department of Fish and Game from issuing any permits for suction dredge mining in every river, stream, and waterway throughout California. Judge Roesch’s Preliminary Injunction applied to every river, stream, and waterway in California irrespective of whether or not they had any Coho salmon in them or indeed any fish at all. Only a small percentage of the rivers, streams, and waterways in California have any salmon in them whatsoever, and a substantially smaller percentage contain any Coho salmon. The Preliminary Injunction ordered by Judge Roesch is presently on appeal.
37. On February 27, 2009, another attempt was made by the Karuk Tribe to circumvent Judge Sabraw’s Order. Allies of the Karuk Tribe introduced SB 670 in the State Senate again seeking to prohibit all suction dredge mining in every river, stream, lake, and waterway in California until a CEQA review had been completed and new regulations were operative. The prohibition would take place whether or not there were Coho salmon, trout, minnows, or any fish whatsoever in any of the State’s waters. SB 670 was, in many respects, a replay of AB 1032.
38. SB 670 was aimed at suction dredge mining, and prohibited the issuance by DF&G of any new permits for suction dredge mining in California. In addition, SB 670 invalidated any prior permits issued by DF&G for suction dredge mining. SB 670 prohibited suction dredge mining in every river, stream, lake, and waterway throughout the State of California, not just the three rivers in the initial suit brought before Judge Sabraw--the Klamath, Scott and Salmon Rivers--nor the 68 rivers and streams targeted in AB 1032. This prohibitory progression is regulation run riot.
39. SB 670 passed the legislature and was sent to Governor Schwarzenegger for his signature. Reversing his position where he vetoed AB 1032, and the attempt to prohibit suction dredge mining through a rider to the state budget. Governor Schwarzenegger signed SB 670 into law. This constituted a triumph of money and raw political power over the laws of the United States, including without limitation, those laws relating to mining on Federal lands.
40. For Plaintiff Public Lands for the People, Inc. (“PLP”), and its members as well as all other Plaintiffs, suction dredge prospecting and mining in the rivers, streams, and waterways of California is not recreational. It is an important economic endeavor that has a direct economic impact on family finances, business finances, and in these hard economic times, often is the difference between having to choose whether to put gas in the car, or buy food or medicine for the family. For PLP and its members, and all other Plaintiffs, suction dredge prospecting and mining is not merely a question of having “fun”. Prohibiting suction dredge mining to prospectors and miners, who are Federal mineral estate grantees, forces them to face serious economic hardship. With a perilous economy, being able to sell even an ounce of gold for over $900.00 makes a substantial difference as to the economic choices a family has regarding basic necessities.
41. Prospecting, placer mining, suction dredge mining, and granted rights of way associated with mining and prospecting activities, all of which are mining operations pursuant to the mining laws and the Code of Federal Regulations (“CFR”), and all of which have valid pre-existing rights pursuant to the mining laws and CFRs, are traditionally common in the State of California, and done in accordance with the rules and customs of miners. Suction dredge mining is the only reasonable, economical, and environmentally sound method for extracting precious metals from the rivers, streams, lakes, and waterways in California.
42. Plaintiffs are informed and believe, and thereon allege, that prohibition of vacuum and suction dredge mining has already taken place and is being implemented. DF&G has sent letters to holders of permits validly issued prior to the passage of SB 670 telling them to cease and desist all suction dredge mining in California. DF&G will no longer issue permits for suction dredge mining in California.
43. This has direct and immediate effect upon mining claim owners, prospectors and miners in California, in that they need mechanized methods of mining, including vacuum and suction dredge mining, in the rivers, streams, lakes, and waterways of California in order to economically prospect and mine in those rivers, streams, lakes, and waterways, and to engage in other associated mining activities therein. DF&G asserts that permits are needed in order to engage in vacuum or suction dredge mining anywhere in the State of California, whether such mining occurs on private, State, or Federal lands, or pursuant to mining claims authorized by the State of California or the United States, or authorized in any manner whatsoever.
44. Plaintiffs are informed and believe, and thereon allege, that the prohibition of vacuum and suction dredge mining in the rivers, streams, lakes, and waterways of California will affect over ninety-five percent (95%) of all mineral production from the aforesaid rivers, streams, lakes, and waterways.
45. The legislature did not consider any alternatives to the prohibition of all motorized means of mining, including vacuum and suction dredge mining, in the rivers, streams, lakes, and waterways of California.


SB 670
46. SB 670 adds to the CF&GC a newly enacted Section 5653.1.
47. Present law prohibits the use of any vacuum or suction dredge equipment by any person in any river, stream, or lake in California without a permit issued by DF&G. California Fish and Game Code § 5653 (“CF&GC”). On average, DF&G has issued approximately 3,200 suction dredge mining permits to California residents every year for the last fifteen (15) years. It is estimated that suction dredge miners, resident and non-resident, spend approximately $60,000,000 in the rural counties of California on supplies, fuel, food, camping, equipment, hardware, lodging, goods and services. Any person required to possess a permit pursuant to Section 5653, shall present his or her dredging equipment for inspection upon request of a State or County Fish and Game Warden. CF&GC § 5653.3. For purposes of §§ 5653 and 5653.3, “person” does not include a partnership, corporation, or other type of association. Under existing law, it is unlawful to possess a vacuum or suction dredge in areas, or in or within a hundred yards of waters that are closed to the use of vacuum or suction dredges. A violation of the permit requirement is a misdemeanor punishable by a fine of up to $1,000.00 and six months in jail. CF&GC § 5653 et seq.; 14 CCR § 228 et seq. The Plaintiffs, as well as other miners and prospectors, are concerned that they will be cited for a criminal violation by DF&G should they attempt to engage in vacuum or suction dredge mining, as well as any other motorized mining use.
48. DF&G is authorized to close areas otherwise open for dredging and for which permits have been issued, if there is an unanticipated water level change and the department determines that the closure is necessary to protect wildlife and water resources. 14 CCR § 228. No such determination has been made by DF&G as it relates to SB 670.
49. Existing law requires DF&G to adopt regulations to implement certain of the vacuum and suction dredge equipment requirements, and authorizes the DF&G to issue regulations with respect to other requirements. Existing law requires that the regulations be adopted in accordance with the requirements of CEQA. CF&GC § 5653.9.
50. CEQA requires a lead agency, as defined, to prepare, or cause to be prepared by contract, and certify the completion of, an environmental impact report on a “project”, as defined, that it proposes to carry out or approve that may have a significant effect on the environment, or to adopt a negative declaration if it finds that the project will not have that effect. SB 670 declares that the issuance of permits to operate vacuum or suction dredge equipment is a “project” pursuant to CEQA. CF&GC § 5653.1(a).
51. The act exempts from its provisions, among other things, certain types of ministerial projects proposed to be carried out or approved by public agencies, and emergency repairs to public service facilities necessary to maintain service. CF&GC § 21080(b)(1); 14 CCR § 15060©(1). The issuance of permits for vacuum or suction dredge mining authorized by Federal law is a non-discretionary and ministerial act.
52. After SB 670 designated the issuance of permits to operate vacuum or suction dredge equipment to be a “project” under CEQA, it suspended the issuance of permits, including permits issued prior to the passage of SB 670, and any mining pursuant to such permit, until the DF&G has completed an environmental impact report for the “project” as ordered by the Court in Karuk Tribe et al. v. California Department of Fish and Game, et al., Alameda County Superior Court, Case No. RG 05211597. DF&G has stated that it will not complete the Court ordered environmental review of its permitting program until, at the earliest, in the late summer of 2011.
53. SB 670 prohibits the use of any vacuum or suction dredge equipment in any river, stream, or lake, for in-stream mining purposes, until the director of DF&G certifies to the Secretary of State that: 1) The DF&G has completed the environmental review of its existing vacuum or suction dredging regulations as ordered by the Court; 2) DF&G has transmitted for filing with the Secretary of State, a certified copy of new regulations as necessary; and 3) the new regulations are operative. There is no time frame set for this cascade of contingencies, and there is no realistic expectation that they will ever be completed within the next decade, if then.
54. In trying to explain why the completion of the environmental impact report will take so long, DF&G has stated that:
“Q: When will the EIR be completed? DFG is preparing a Subsequent Environmental Impact Report (EIR) to conduct the court-ordered review. DFG estimates at this point that it will complete and certify the Subsequent EIR (and updates to the existing regulations, if necessary) after a series of public meetings and other opportunities for public comment and review by late summer 2011. The environmental review and regulation processes are governed by the California Environmental Quality Act and the Administrative Procedures Act, respectively. The time line is driven by the requirements of these laws.”

“Q: Why is this process going to take so long? DFG has already begun the environmental review necessary to analyze the current regulations; this was last done in 1994. The review process will be complex and lengthy given the statewide scope of the analysis and the time that has passed since the last review. In addition to the detailed written analysis prepared by DFG in coordination with the State Water Board, the review process will also include several opportunities for public involvement, both via public meetings and through solicitation of written comments and suggestions. Initial public meetings to discuss the scope of the environmental analysis are currently being planned for November 2009 in Fresno, Sacramento and Redding. Additional details, including the time and place of the meetings, will be posted on the DFG Web site, www.dfg.ca.gov, as they become available.”

Although the court-ordered review for the EIR is only for the Klamath, Scott, and Salmon Rivers, DF&G will conduct a statewide review for the EIR. DF&G has stated that:
“Based on the information DFG collected from interested parties, DFG informed the Alameda County Superior Court in early 2008 that DFG could not proceed with the court-ordered environmental review in reliance on an addendum to the 1994 EIR. DFG informed the court at the same time that more than minor additions or changes to the 1994 EIR would be necessary and that statewide issues would need to be addressed in a subsequent environmental document in order to fulfill DFG’s obligations under CEQA. As a result, DFG informed the Alameda County Superior Court that it intended to prepare a subsequent or supplemental environmental impact report that would be statewide in scope to comply with the December 2006 Court Order.”

55. SB 670 is declared to be an “urgency statute,” and without support of any credible evidence whatsoever, and without the completion of any environmental impact report the legislature:
“finds that suction or vacuum dredge mining results in various adverse environmental impacts to protected fish species, the water quality of this state, and the health of the people of this state, and, in order to protect the environment and the people of California pending the completion of a court-ordered environmental review by the Department of Fish and Game and the operation of new regulations, as necessary, it is necessary that this act take effect immediately.”

56. Thus, the legislative finding is dependent upon the completion of an environmental impact review (“EIR”) that is yet to take place, and may never take place. If an EIR ever does take place, it will most likely affirm that not one fish has ever been killed or harmed through present day suction dredge mining; that such mining causes no discernable harm to the natural environment of the water resources of the State of California; and is, in fact, beneficial to the environment and natural resources of the State of California. The purported legislative finding is without basis in fact, and is a political, not a scientific conclusion, and is contrary to the scientific evidence that was available to the legislature.
57. DF&G will not issue refunds for those who have purchased permits prior to the passage of SB 670, since SB 670 does not provide for any such refunds.
58. DF&G has stated that vacuum or suction dredge equipment lawfully placed in the waters of California prior to the passage of SB 670 must be immediately removed pursuant to CF&GC § 5563. No compensation is to be provided by the DF&G or SB 670 to any mining claim owner, miner or prospector for the expense of purchasing such equipment, lawfully placing such equipment in the State’s waters, or having to remove such equipment from the waters.


PARTIES
59. Plaintiff Public Lands for the People, Inc. is a California 501 c-3 non-profit corporation (“PLP”). PLP is a nationwide organization of miners, who are mineral estate grantees, and prospectors. With its constituent members, PLP constitutes approximately 40,000 people. Its founder and President is Gerald E. Hobbs of San Bernardino, California. PLP, has among its membership, miners and prospectors with mining claims and estates in National Forests in California, Federal lands administered by the Bureau of Land Management in California, National Parks in California, and other Federal lands in California, and throughout the United States. Large numbers of the membership of PLP receive yearly permits from DF&G to engage in vacuum or suction dredge mining in California, and do so engage in such mining in California. These PLP members are directly affected in their mining, prospecting and associated operations by passage of SB 670 that prohibits the issuance of permits for vacuum and suction dredge mining by DF&G, and the cancellation by DF&G of permits already issued, for vacuum and suction dredge mining in California. These PLP members are directly and substantially financially harmed by the passage of SB 670.
60. Gerald E. Hobbs is a member of, founder, and President of PLP. Mr. Hobbs has mining claims and mineral estates in three National Forests, all of which are in California. They are Angeles National Forest, Tahoe National Forest, and Six Rivers National Forest. Mr. Hobbs has permits from DF&G to engage in vacuum and suction dredge mining in California. Mr. Hobbs has paid DF&G for these permits. These permits are subject to cancellation, and have been cancelled, by DF&G pursuant to SB 670. Mr. Hobbs has spent substantial sums in order to engage in suction dredge mining. Mr. Hobbs earned income from suction dredge mining in California which was necessary to maintain his economic viability. Mr. Hobbs is directly and substantially financially harmed by the passage of SB 670.
61. Patrick Keene is part of a third generation family-owned business that has been serving the mining community in California, the United States, and throughout the world for the past 60 years. Mr. Keene is Secretary/Treasurer of Keene Engineering Co., Inc. (“Keene Engineering”) of Chatsworth, California. Keene Engineering is the largest supplier of small scale dredging and mining equipment in the world. The Company, as well as many other manufacturers, sells to small businesses and dealers who provide equipment to prospectors and miners throughout California and the United States. Many of the people who operate suction dredges come to visit California to dredge for gold and work their mining claims. While doing so, they support local businesses in the process of filling their other needs. Mr. Keene has been working for Keene Engineering for over 30 years. Mr. Keene is a member of PLP. Mr. Keene and Keene Engineering are directly and substantially financially harmed by the passage of SB 670.
62. The economic impact of the prohibition of suction dredge mining in California is devastating to Keene Engineering. Since the majority of Keene Engineering’s business is in California, it would not allow the Company and the many others small businesses who also sell prospecting and mining equipment or supplies, to survive. Much of Keene Engineering’s business relies on California suction dredge miners. The losses involved with Keene Engineering’s business would be in the many millions of dollars.
63. Since the introduction of SB 670, suction dredge sales by Keene Engineering and its California dealers have stopped. The fear of this activity becoming illegal, and it being a misdemeanor, carrying up to $1,000.00 in fines, and six months in jail, has been devastating to Keene Engineering’s business, as well as its dealers.
64. Forty percent of Keene Engineering’s business is based on equipment sold to small and medium scale suction dredge miners in California, and the people who travel from other states to suction dredge mine in the rivers and streams in California. Thousands of those people also enjoy associated tourism in California and support local seasonal businesses.
65. Most of Keene Engineering’s suppliers, who provided it with components to build suction dredges are profoundly impacted as well. These businesses also have had a substantial drop in their business. The passage of SB 670 has created a ripple effect on many other industries both in and out of the State of California adversely affecting interstate commerce. SB 670’s prohibition on vacuum and suction dredge mining has cost, or will cost, California economic damage in an amount of approximately 60 million dollars a year, and possibly much more.
66. SB 670 will put Keene Engineering out of business. Keene Engineering employs 35 workers. Keene Engineering will lay off approximately 12 employees in an attempt to economically survive. A number of Keene Engineering’s dealers have contacted the Company, and told Keene Engineering that they are closing their doors since they cannot economically survive selling just non-motorized equipment such as sluice boxes and gold pans.
67. The suction dredge community supports many other businesses in gold bearing areas which are in danger of economic failure. Many jobs are being lost due to the loss of tourism that the passage of SB 670 has engendered. Many campgrounds are empty along rivers and mining areas across California. Many businesses are seasonal, including campgrounds, hotels, restaurants, service stations, and grocery stores. Many of these businesses are located in severely economically depressed areas. These business owners rely on small scale suction dredge miners, prospectors, and tourism in order to survive economically. Many of the counties in Northern California, in the gold bearing area, are economically depressed and having very hard economic times. SB 670 is adding to this economic suffering, eliminating jobs, and creating a loss of tax base for these areas and for the State of California.
68. Californians, and people who come from other states to visit California, spend an average of $3,200.00 per month in local economies as of a study made in 1994. In 2009, the amount spent is substantially higher. Californians, and people from other states, purchase special vehicles such as trucks, campers, trailers, quads, and recreational vehicles to prospect and mine for gold in California.
69. Since the passage of SB 670, many mining claim and mineral estates will lose considerable value because their claim owners cannot mine them effectively, and the counties where they are situated will be compelled to reassess the value of their claims. This will create a large loss to County and State tax basis, and will ultimately curtail governmental services.
70. Mr. Keene is also a small scale independent miner who owns mining claims and estates throughout California. Mr. Keene’s mining claims are on Federal land in National Forests in California and on Bureau of Land Management land in California. Mr. Keene engages in vacuum and suction dredge mining in California, and has permits from DF&G allowing him to engage in such mining. Mr. Keene has paid DF&G for these permits. Mr. Keene has spent substantial sums in order to engage in suction dredge mining. Mr. Keene supplements his and his family’s income from being able to engage in suction dredge mining. By not being able to engage in suction dredge mining on Federal land in California, Mr. Keene, in his individual capacity, is directly and substantially financially harmed by the passage of SB 670.
71. Robert Haiduck is a prospector and miner with mining claims and mineral estates in the Sequoia National Forest, Trinity National Forest, Cleveland National Forest, and other National Forests in California. Mr. Haiduck also has mining claims on federal lands administered by the Bureau of Land Management (“BLM”). Mr. Haiduck is a member of PLP. Mr. Haiduck engages in suction dredge mining on his mining claims in the National Forests in California, as well as, his mining claims on lands administered by BLM. No waters where Mr. Haiduck has mining claims contain any salmon of any species whatsoever. Pursuant to BLM regulations, every ten (10) acres of his unpatented mining claims on BLM land must be sampled for mineral values. Since these claims are on the water, they have to be suction dredged to be correctly and legally sampled. Mr. Haiduck has permits from DF&G to engage in suction dredge mining in California. Mr. Haiduck has paid DF&G for these permits. Mr. Haiduck has spent substantial sums in order to engage in suction dredge mining in California. Mr. Haiduck is severely ill. He is financially dependent for the support of himself and his family, which includes three (3) small children, on suction dredge mining on his mining claims in the National Forests and on BLM land in California. Mr. Haiduck and his family have substantial amounts of personal money invested in mining claims that can only be worked feasibly, economically, and in an environmentally friendly manner by suction dredge mining. Without the ability to suction dredge mine Mr. Haiduck and his family stand to lose almost all of their money, and be completely wiped out economically. Being unable to engage in suction dredge mining on his mining claims in the National Forests of California, and BLM land in California, causes immediate and substantial financial harm to Mr. Haiduck and his family. Mr. Haiduck is directly, severely and substantially financially harmed by the passage of SB 670.
72. Terry Stapp is a 60% disabled Vietnam veteran who retired in 1991 after 25 years in the United States Air Force. Mr. Stapp is a suction dredge miner and has so mined on Federal land in the Downieville area in Sierra County, California for over 30 years. His mining claims and estates in Sierra County are worthless without the ability to engage in suction dredge mining. The economic loss to Mr. Stapp and his wife, Dee, is devastating. Mr. Stapp supplemented his income by suction dredge mining while he was on active duty in the United States Air Force. Since Mr. Stapp retired from the Air Force, suction dredge mining in California is his sole source of income, other than his military retirement pension. Mr. Stapp is directly and substantially financially harmed by the passage of SB 670.
73. Dee Stapp is the wife of Terry Stapp. Mrs. Stapp is a member of PLP. Mrs. Stapp has mining claims and estates on Federal land in California. Mrs. Stapp engages in suction dredge mining on her claims in California, and has permits from DF&G to engage in such mining. Mrs. Stapp has paid DF&G for these permits. Mrs. Stapp has spent substantial sums in order to engage in suction dredge mining. Mrs. Stapp supplements her and her husband’s income through suction dredge mining in California. Mrs. Stapp is directly and substantially financially harmed by the passage of SB 670.
74. Mrs. Stapp started a gold prospecting store in San Bernardino, California and has run it since August 1, 1978. Mrs. Stapp sells suction dredges and dredge accessories to miners which represent about 60% of the store’s income. The passage of SB 670 is a devastating economic blow to Mrs. Stapp’s business income. SB 670 has placed in question the economic
viability of Mrs. Stapp’s business, and the ability of her store to remain open.
75. Mrs. Stapp sells the gold she and her husband obtain from suction dredge mining through the Internet throughout the United States and in foreign commerce. The inability to suction dredge mine will substantially impact the Stapps’ financial and economic well-being, since the Internet sales of suction dredge mined gold amounts to many thousands of dollars per year, and is a necessity for the Stapps to financially survive.
76. David DeCosta has been a suction dredge miner in California for over 20 years. Mr. DeCosta is a member of PLP. Mr. DeCosta has mining claims and estates on Federal land in California. Mr. DeCosta has permits from DF&G to engage in suction dredge mining in California. Mr. DeCosta has paid DF&G for these permits. Mr. DeCosta has spent substantial sums in order to engage in suction dredge mining. Suction dredge mining has provided additional income for Mr. DeCosta and his family. Mr. DeCosta and his family are directly and substantially financially harmed by the passage of SB 670.
77. James Gregory Lee has been a suction dredge miner in California for over 40 years. Mr. Lee is partially disabled. Mr. Lee is a member of PLP. Mr. Lee has mining claims and estates on Federal land in California. Mr. Lee has permits from DF&G, including an assistant suction dredge permit for an aide to help him operate his suction dredge, due to his disability, in order to engage in suction dredge mining in California. Mr. Lee has paid DF&G for these permits. Mr. Lee has spent substantial sums in order to engage in suction dredge mining. Suction dredge mining has provided additional income for Mr. Lee and his family. Mr. Lee and his family are directly and substantially financially harmed by the passage of SB 670.
78. Mike Holt has been a suction dredge miner in California for over 24 years. Mr. Holt is a member of PLP. Mr. Holt has mining claims and estates on Federal land in California in the Tahoe National Forest. Mr. Holt has also engaged in suction dredge mining on private properties, for which he needs permits from DF&G. Mr. Holt has permits from DF&G to engage in suction dredge mining in California. Mr. Holt has paid DF&G for these permits. Mr. Holt has spent substantial sums in order to engage in suction dredge mining. Suction dredge mining has provided the main source of income for Mr. Holt and his family. Suction dredge mining has allowed Mr. Holt to support his wife and four children, and in these difficult economic times, to continue to help out his children economically. Mr. Holt and his family are directly and substantially financially harmed by the passage of SB 670.
79. Todd Bracken has been a suction dredge miner in California for over 15 years. Mr. Bracken has been awarded a Certificate of Recognition by the California State Assembly for his mining activities on his family’s historic mining claims, and his use and popularization of California gold throughout the world in his artistic creations. Mr. Bracken is a member of PLP. Mr. Bracken has mining claims and estates on Federal land in California on the Yuba River. Mr. Bracken has permits from DF&G to engage in suction dredge mining in California. Mr. Bracken has paid DF&G for these permits. Mr. Bracken has spent substantial sums in order to engage in suction dredge mining. Suction dredge mining has provided additional income for Mr. Bracken and his family. Mr. Bracken takes much of the gold he obtains from suction dredge mining and uses it to make fine jewelry. Mr. Bracken sells that jewelry throughout the United States and in foreign commerce. This involves many thousands of dollars in sales per year. Mr. Bracken maintains a website advertising his jewelry for sale. That website states that Mr. Bracken sells natural California gold jewelry. California gold commands a higher price in the market place because of its natural purity and the history of gold mining associated with California. The prohibition of suction dredge mining in California dramatically and drastically affects Mr. Bracken’s mining and jewelry business, and its economic viability. Mr. Bracken and his family are directly and substantially financially harmed by the passage of SB 670.
80. Shannon Poe is suction dredge miner in California. Mr. Poe is a member of PLP. Mr. Poe has mining claims and estates on Federal land in California, including National Forest and Bureau of Land Management lands in California. Mr. Poe has permits from DF&G to engage in suction dredge mining in California. Mr. Poe has paid DF&G for these permits. Mr. Poe has spent over $27,000.00 since January 1, 2009 in order to engage in suction dredge mining. Suction dredge mining has provided additional income for Mr. Poe and his family. Mr. Poe and his family are directly and substantially financially harmed by the passage of SB 670.
81. David Richard has been a suction dredge miner in California for over 20 years. Mr. Richard is a member of PLP. Mr. Richard has mining claims and estates on Federal land in California. Mr. Richard has permits from DF&G to engage in suction dredge mining in California. Mr. Richard has paid DF&G for these permits. Mr. Richard has spent substantial sums in order to engage in suction dredge mining. Suction dredge mining has provided additional income for Mr. Richard and his family. Mr. Richard and his family are directly and substantially financially harmed by the passage of SB 670.
82. Defendant State of California is a State of the United States, one of whose agencies is the California Department of Fish and Game (“DF&G”).
83. Defendant Arnold Schwarzenegger is the Governor of the State of California, and is sued in his official capacity as Governor.
84. The California Department of Fish and Game is a department of the Executive Branch of the State of California, and among its other duties, is responsible for the issuing of permits for vacuum and suction dredge mining in the rivers, streams, lakes, and waterways within California.
85. Defendant Donald Koch is Director of the California Department of Fish and Game, and is sued in his official capacity as Director of the aforesaid Department.
86. The true names and capacities, whether individual, corporate, associate, or otherwise, of Defendants DOE 1 through DOE 20 are unknown to Plaintiffs at this time, who therefore sue said Defendants by such fictitious names and will ask leave of Court to amend this Complaint to show their true names and capacities when the same are ascertained. Said Defendants are sued as principals and/or agents, servants, and employees of said principals, and all of the acts performed by them as agents, servants, and employees were performed within the course and scope of their authority and employment. Each of the Defendants is in some way responsible for the injuries sustained by the Plaintiffs.
87. At all times herein, all named Defendants and Defendants DOES 1 though 20 inclusive, and each of them, were the agents and employees of each of the remaining Defendants and were at all times acting within the purpose and scope of said agency and employment and each Defendant ratified and approved the acts of its agent.


CLAIMS FOR RELIEF
COUNT I: Preemption and the Supremacy Clauses
88. Plaintiffs repeat and incorporate by reference the allegations of Paragraphs 1 through 87 of this Complaint.
89. The heaviest concentrations of placer gold and other valuable minerals on unpatented mining claims held under Federal law, and on unclaimed Federal lands open to mining, are in waterways where a natural concentration of gold and other valuable minerals is in the gravels and on or near the bedrock of the riverbed or streambed. The only viable, economic and environmentally sound manner to recover the placer gold under these conditions is through use of a suction dredge. Suction dredge mining is the highest and best use for placer mining claims. Miners and prospectors have a federally granted right to use such waters in order to develop their mining claims and mineral estates. 16 U.S.C. § 481 (Use of Waters). All state laws, or regulations, in conflict with this right, are void and of no effect. 43 CFR § 3809.3.
90. Miners and prospectors have a statutory right, not a privilege, to go upon open Federal public domain lands for mineral prospecting, exploration, and development. Administrators may not unreasonably restrict the exercise of that right. The Federal Mining Law of 1872, as amended (30 U.S.C. § 21 et seq.), provides that all valuable mineral deposits in lands belonging to the United States shall be free and open to exploration and development. The Supremacy Clause of the United States Constitution, Article VI, Clause 2, further provides that “the laws of the United States . . . shall be the supreme law of the land . . . with anything in the laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding”. Article IV, § 3, of the United States Constitution, provides that “Congress shall have the power to dispose of and make all needful rules and regulations respecting the territory or other property belonging to the United States.” The absolute prohibition of SB 670 of vacuum or suction dredge mining in the rivers, streams, lakes, and waterways for Federal mining claims within Federal lands in the State of California, directly conflicts with those Federal mining laws, and violates the Supremacy Clause and Article IV, § 3, of the United States Constitution.
91. Plaintiffs are entitled to secure the necessary permits to conduct vacuum or suction dredge mining operations on Federal lands, and the rivers, streams, lakes, and waterways within those Federal lands, pursuant to, and including, without limitation, the Mining Acts of 1866 and 1870, the Mining and Minerals Policy Act of 1970, 30 U.S.C. § 21a.; the Federal Mining Law of 1872, as amended (30 U.S.C. § 21 et seq.); 16 U.S.C. § 481, (Use of Waters); the Stock Raising Homestead Act of 1916 (Ch. 9, 39 Stat. 862, codified at 43 U.S.C. § (1976); the Federal Land Policy and Management Act of 1976 (“FLPMA”) 43 U.S.C. § 1701 et seq., including without limitation §§ 1732(b), 1761 and 1769; the National Forest Management Act (“NFMA”); 16 U.S.C. § 1600 et seq. (1976); Multiple Surface Use Sustained Yield Act (“MUSYA”); 16 U.S.C. § 528 et seq. (1960); Multiple Surface Use Act, 30 U.S.C. §§ 612, 613, 615; Americans with Disabilities Act, 42 U.S.C. § 12132; 5 U.S.C. §§ 601, 602, 603(b), Regulatory Flexibility Act As Amended By The Small Business Regulatory Enforcement Fairness Act of 1996; 5 U.S.C. §§ 801-808) [SBREFA]; the National Environmental Policy Act of 1969 (42 U.S.C. § 4321 et seq.); and numerous sections of the Code of Regulations (“CFR”), including without limitation, 36 CFR 228 et seq.; 36 CFR 261 et seq.; 43 CFR § 3800; 43 CFR § 3809.1 et seq., including without limitation, 43 CFR § 3809.3. Thus, SB 670’s absolute prohibition of vacuum or suction dredge mining in the rivers, streams, lakes, and waterways within those Federal lands violates Plaintiffs’ rights pursuant to the aforesaid statutes, rules, and regulations mandated by Congress.
92. SB 670 is prohibitory, not regulatory, in its fundamental character. It strikes at the central purpose and objectives of the applicable Federal law regarding mining. Through SB 670, the State of California attempts to substitute its political judgment for that of Congress. The Federal government has authorized a specific use of Federal lands for mining, and California cannot prohibit that use either temporarily or permanently.
93. Vacuum and suction dredge mining is the only practical way any of the Plaintiffs can economically mine the valuable mineral deposits located in the rivers, streams, lakes, and waterways within Federal lands in California. SB 670 is a de facto prohibition on all such mining. To the extent DF&G may issue permits, plaintiffs are entitled to secure the necessary permits to conduct vacuum and suction dredge mining operations on Federal and non-Federal lands within the State of California pursuant to, and including without limitation, the above-stated statutes and regulations. Thus, SB 670’s absolute prohibition of vacuum and suction dredge mining in the rivers, streams, lakes, and waterways within Federal and non-Federal lands, violates Plaintiffs’ rights thereto. SB 670 directly conflicts with Federal law relating to mining, and stands as an obstacle to the accomplishment of the full purposes and objectives of Congress in enacting not only the mining laws but all other laws stated above. All matters dealt with by SB 670 are preempted and fully occupied by the laws of the United States, including without limitation, its mining laws, its environmental laws, its laws relating to clean water, 33 U.S.C. § 1151, et seq. (2004), and its laws relating to endangered species, 16 U.S.C. §§ 1531, et seq. (2004).
94. The issuance of a permit for vacuum or suction dredge mining to a mining claim owner, miner and/or prospector by DF&G is a non-discretionary act, and not a discretionary act. The mining laws, as set forth above, give to the miner and/or prospector an absolute and exclusive right to enter and use the Federal public lands, and the rivers, streams, lakes and waterways running therein, for the purpose of mining and developing his or her mineral estate. The Mining Act of 1866 states:
“That the mineral lands of the public domain, both surveyed and unsurveyed, are hereby declared to be free and open to exploration and occupation by all citizens of the United States, and those who have declared their intention to become citizens, subject to such regulations as may be prescribed by law, and subject also to the local custom or rules of miners in the several mining districts, so far as the same may not be in conflict with the laws of the United States.”



COUNT II: Deprivation of Property and Due Process
95. Plaintiffs repeat and incorporate by reference the allegations of Paragraphs 1 through 94 of this Complaint.
96. Prior to the passage of SB 670, plaintiffs invested many thousands of dollars in order to be able to engage in vacuum and suction dredge mining. Plaintiffs obtained Federal mining claims, invested substantial sums in those claims, kept those claims current, paid taxes on those claims, bought and sold equipment, paid permit fees to DF&G, and otherwise spent substantial sums of money for the purpose of conducting mineral exploration and development pursuant to the laws of the United States and the State of California.
97. The due process clauses of the 5th and 14th Amendments to the United States Constitution, and Article I § 7(a) of the Constitution of California, prohibit the deprivation of property without due process of law. The Plaintiffs have constitutionally protected property rights and mineral estates that they own or lease in California. The passage of SB 670 makes such property and mineral estates worthless or near worthless. The State of California, through
and by the passage of SB 670, has wrongfully taken plaintiffs’ property without compensation in violation of the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State of California.
98. Defendants, through the passage of SB 670, have deprived the Plaintiffs of their property rights without procedural due process of law in at least the following ways:
a. Failing to give the Plaintiffs notice and an opportunity for a hearing prior to the deprivations; and
b. Failing to provide a mechanism for the Plaintiffs to contest the deprivations of their property rights once they occurred.
99. Defendants, through the passage of SB 670, have deprived the Plaintiffs of substantive due process under the 5th and 14th Amendments of the Constitution of the United States and Article I § 7(a) and Article I §§ 7(a) and 19 of the Constitution of California in at least the following ways:
a. Defendants’ deprivations of Plaintiffs’ property rights are arbitrary and capricious;
b. SB 670 has no rational relationship to any legitimate public purpose; rather it was motivated solely by the improper political purpose of totally prohibiting vacuum or suction dredge mining in the rivers, streams, lakes, and waterways of California;
c. SB 670 singles out Plaintiffs for extraordinary treatment different from that accorded to all other potential mineral developers that utilize different methods of mining, or use suction dredge equipment for extensive non-mining purposes. These extensive non-mining purposes have the same effect as suction dredge mining for minerals, and in many cases, far exceed any disturbance to the rivers, streams, lakes, and waterways of California, and the biota therein, allegedly caused by suction dredge mining;
d. SB 670 is in direct conflict with the laws of the United States, which state that the mining of minerals on and within Federal lands is necessary for the economic development and security of the United States.
e. SB 670 is in direct conflict with the laws of the State of California, which assert that mining of minerals within the State is necessary for the economic development of the State and Nation;
f. SB 670 contains no standards to apply in that it affects every river, stream, lake, and waterway in California whether or not there are any fish, aquatic life, or biota therein, or any living organism that could possibly be affected in any way whatsoever by vacuum or suction dredge mining; and
g. SB 670 is in direct conflict with the encouragement of mining, including vacuum or suction dredge mining by and in the State of California, as being essential to the economic well-being of California, its people, and the needs of society. Thus, Defendants deprivation of Plaintiffs’ property is manifestly unfair, given that the Plaintiffs, with the State of California’s encouragement, have made a substantial investment for the exploration and development of minerals through suction dredge mining.
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COUNT III: Denial of Equal Protection
100. Plaintiffs repeat and incorporate by reference the allegations of Paragraphs 1 through 99 of this Complaint.
101. The Plaintiffs are entitled to equal protection under the laws of California pursuant to the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, and Article I § 7(a) of the Constitution of the State of California.
102. Defendants, through the passage of SB 670, specifically intended to deny, and have denied, Plaintiffs the same treatment, privileges, and immunities received by all other mine owners and operators, or potential mine owners or operators, that utilize other than vacuum or suction dredge mining methods, or users of vacuum and suction dredge equipment for purposes other than mining within the rivers, streams, lakes, and waterways of California.
103. There is no rational basis for this difference and treatment which has denied Plaintiffs’ equal protection under the laws.


COUNT IV: Taking of Property Without Compensation
104. Plaintiffs repeat and incorporate by reference the allegations of Paragraphs 1 through 103 of this Complaint.
105. Defendants, through the passage of SB 670, have deprived Plaintiffs of their mineral rights and estates within the rivers, streams, lakes, and waterways of California in violation of the 5th and 14th Amendments to the Constitution of the United States; and Article I § 7(a) and Article I § 19 of the Constitution of California.
106. SB 670 contains no provision for compensating the Plaintiffs for the substantial property deprivations they have suffered, and will suffer, and the defendants have not compensated, nor offered to compensate, Plaintiffs for such deprivation. Defendants have made clear that they do not intend to offer any such compensation.
107. Plaintiffs are entitled to just compensation for their property taken.
108. The Defendants’ actions in preparing, adopting, and implementing SB 670 and other rules and policies that interfere with, and prohibit, the Plaintiffs’ rights to prospect, and to access their mining claims and mineral estates in the rivers, streams, lakes, and waterways of California, were without public purpose, and in direct conflict with the laws of the United States. Such actions have caused and will continue to cause immediate, direct, adverse and irreversible harm to Plaintiffs and other miners and prospectors.


COUNT V: Violation of Civil Rights
109. Plaintiffs repeat and incorporate by reference the allegations of Paragraphs 1 through 108 of this Complaint.
110. Defendants, through the passage of SB 670, have deprived Plaintiffs of their mineral rights, estates, and property within the rivers, streams, lakes, and waterways of California, as well as depriving Plaintiffs of rights, privileges, and immunities secured by the Constitution and laws of the United States, as well as the Constitution and laws of the State of California, pursuant to 42 U.S.C. § 1983. Plaintiffs are entitled to attorneys’ and experts’ fees and costs pursuant to 42 U.S.C. § 1988.
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COUNT VI: Violation of the Mining and Minerals Policy Act of 1970,
30 U.S.C. § 21a
111. Plaintiffs repeat and incorporate by reference the allegations of Paragraphs 1 through 110 of this Complaint.
112. The Mining and Minerals Policy Act of 1970, 30 U.S.C. § 21a, declares that it is the continuing policy of the Federal Government to foster and encourage private enterprise in the development of a stable domestic minerals industry and the orderly and economic development of domestic mineral resources. This act includes all minerals, including sand and gravel, geothermal, coals, and oil and gas. 30 U.S.C. § 615 prohibits the interference, limitation, or restriction of any existing rights to any Federal mining claimant holding a valid mining claim on Federal lands.
113. SB 670 hinders the national policy as expressed by Congress to foster and develop mining and mineral resources. The actions of Defendants as set forth above, in closing and prohibiting vacuum and suction dredge mining in the rivers, streams, lakes, and waterways within Federal lands in California violates the policy of the Mining and Minerals Policy Act as set forth above.
114. Defendants’ actions were in direct violation of Congressional intent and purpose as set forth above, and an abuse of Plaintiffs’ rights. These actions of Defendants have caused, and will continue to cause, immediate, direct, adverse, and irreversible harm to Plaintiffs, other miners and prospectors, and the United States, as well as the State of California.
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COUNT VII: Violation of 30 U.S.C. §§ 21-54 (Mining Act)
115. Plaintiffs repeat and incorporate by reference the allegations of Paragraphs 1 through 114 of this Complaint.
116. 30 U.S.C. § 22 states that: “Except as otherwise provided, all valuable mineral deposits in lands belonging to the United States, both surveyed and unsurveyed, shall be free and open to exploration and purchase, and the lands in which they are found to occupation and purchase, by citizens of the United States and those who have declared their intention to become such, under regulations prescribed by law, and according to the local customs or rules of miners in the several mining districts, so far as the same are applicable and not inconstant with the laws of the United States”. 30 U.S.C. § 615 prohibits the interference, limitation, or restriction of any existing rights of any mining claimant holding a valid mining claim on Federal lands.
117. The lands of the United States cannot be free and open to exploration if the historical means of development and utilization by prospectors and miners can be prohibited by SB 670’s prohibitions and closures, either temporarily or permanently, in an attempt to substitute any other judgment for that of Congress. SB 670 is prohibitive and not merely regulatory.
118. The actions of SB 670 as set forth above in closing and prohibiting vacuum and suction dredge mining to prospecting and developing of mining claims in the rivers, streams, lakes, and waterways of California within Federal lands violates the purpose of the aforesaid Act.
119. Defendants’ actions in violating 30 U.S.C. §§ 21-54 (Mining Act) were in direct violation of Congressional intent and purpose as set forth above, and an abuse of Plaintiffs’ rights. These actions have caused and will continue to cause, immediate, direct, adverse, and irreversible harm to Plaintiffs, other miners and prospectors, as well as citizens of the United States who wish to become prospectors and miners.

COUNT VIII: Violation of Plaintiffs’ Implied Rights to Use Public Lands
120. Plaintiffs repeat and incorporate by reference the allegations of Paragraphs 1 through 119 of this Complaint.
121. The mining laws, and other statutes enacted by Congress, granting the right to prospect and mine on the public lands throughout the Western United States, including California, as well as the granting of mining claims and mineral estates to Plaintiffs, and other miners and prospectors, implies a right of access to the minerals therein accompanying the grant, arising out of the rules and customs of prospectors and miners to use such methods as are available for prospecting and mining on Federal lands, and to access their mining claims and mineral estates in an unimpeded manner. Closure by SB 670 to vacuum and suction dredge mining on the rivers, streams, lakes, and waterways of California within Federal lands adversely and unlawfully interferes with their implied right, causing them harm and damages.
122. The actions of SB 670, as set forth above, in closing and prohibiting vacuum and suction dredge mining or prospecting and developing of mining claims in the rivers, streams, lakes, and waterways of California within Federal lands violates the aforesaid implied right of Plaintiffs. Therefore, Plaintiffs are entitled to an order quieting title to their mining claims and mineral estates, including their right to use vacuum and suction dredge mining in prospecting on Federal lands, and developing their aforesaid mining claims and mineral estates. 28 U.S.C. § 2409 (a).
123. The Defendants’ actions in preparing, adopting and implementing the proposed closure and prohibition, and other rules and policies that interfere with the Plaintiffs’ implied right were in unlawful derogation of Plaintiffs’ rights. Such actions have caused and will continue to cause immediate, direct, adverse and irreversible harm to Plaintiffs, and other miners and prospectors.


COUNT IX: Unlawful Interference with Commerce
124. Plaintiffs repeat and incorporate by reference the allegations of Paragraphs 1 through 123 of this Complaint.
125. Plaintiffs are small business entities that engage in interstate and foreign commerce. The Federal government encourages and favors small business entities. It has established the Small Business Administration to assist such entities, and has passed special laws, rules, and regulations favoring and protecting small business entities. Regulatory Flexibility Act (5 U.S.C. § 603(b) as amended by The Small Business Regulatory Enforcement Fairness Act Of 1996) 5 U.S.C. §§ 801-808.
126. The Plaintiffs sell or buy valuable minerals obtained through vacuum or suction dredge mining in California on federal lands. Plaintiffs sell such minerals throughout the United States and in foreign commerce. Plaintiffs also use such minerals obtained from federal lands in the manufacture of valuable products that are sold throughout the United States and in foreign commerce.
127. Many citizens of other States and foreign countries come to California in order to engage in vacuum and suction dredge mining for valuable minerals. These non-California citizens purchase permits from DF&G in order to engage in vacuum or suction dredge mining.
128. The total amount of money spent and invested by these mining claim owners, prospectors and miners in suction dredge mining amounts to many millions of dollars each year. The Plaintiffs, and other prospectors and miners, including non-citizens of California, as set forth above, engage in these activities that are specifically authorized, protected, and encouraged by Congress. The Plaintiffs, and other prospectors and miners, including non-citizens of California, engage in interstate and foreign commerce, as set forth above, such interstate and foreign commerce being specifically authorized, protected, and encouraged by Congress.
129. Plaintiffs, and other persons, as set forth above, spend many millions of dollars each year on goods, services, equipment, food, and other supplies both in and out of the State of California in order to engage in suction dredge mining within the State of California.
130. SB 670, by imposing a total prohibition on suction dredge mining in the State of California constitutes an impermissible burden on interstate and foreign commerce in direct
violation of the Constitution of the United States, Article I, § 8, and in direct conflict and in direct violation of the intent and purpose of Congress.
131. Defendants’ actions constituting an undue burden on domestic and foreign commerce are in violation of the Constitution of the United States, Article I, § 8, and are in violation of Congressional intent and purpose as set forth above, and an unlawful derogation and prohibition of Plaintiffs’ rights. These actions have caused, and will continue to cause, immediate, direct, adverse, and irreversible harm to Plaintiffs, non-citizens of California, other miners and prospectors, and citizens of the United States who wish to become prospectors and miners.


COUNT X: Injunctive Relief
132. Plaintiffs repeat and incorporate by reference the allegations of Paragraphs 1 through 131 of this Complaint.
133. Plaintiffs request injunctive relief, since the harm to them from the actions of the Defendants in enacting and implementing SB 670 prohibits them from prospecting and accessing their mining claims and mineral estates in the rivers, streams, lakes, and waterways in California within Federal lands. This causes damage to them which is immediate and irreparable, because they must be able to use vacuum and suction dredge methods of mining and prospecting in order to feasibly and economically prospect and mine on their mining claims and mineral estates.
134. The actions of the Defendants as set forth above in closing and prohibiting vacuum and suction dredge mining and prospecting and developing of their mining claims and mineral estates causes Plaintiffs irreparable harm and entitles them to immediate injunctive relief.
135. The Defendants’ actions in preparing, adopting and implementing the closure, prohibition, and other rules and policies that interfere with the Plaintiffs’ rights to prospect, and to access their mining claims and mineral estates as set forth above, are in derogation of Plaintiffs’ rights. Such actions by Defendants have caused, and will continue to cause, immediate, direct, adverse and irreversible harm to Plaintiffs and other miners and prospectors.
136. Plaintiffs are entitled to an immediate injunction, including, without limitation, a temporary restraining order, preliminary injunction, and permanent injunction, enjoining and restraining Defendants from the implementation and enforcement of SB 670, and enjoining and restraining Defendants from interfering with Plaintiffs’ rights to prospect, to access and develop their mining claims and mineral estates, as set forth above, through all lawful means, including, without limitation, motorized mining methods such as vacuum and suction dredging, or by other lawful means.
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COUNT XI: Damages
137. Plaintiffs repeat and incorporate by reference the allegations of Paragraphs 1 through 136 of this Complaint.
138. As a direct and proximate result of the aforesaid violations by Defendants as set forth in Counts I – X of this Complaint, Plaintiffs have suffered present and future damages in an amount not presently ascertainable, the exact amount to be proven at trial.


DEMAND FOR JURY TRIAL
PRAYER FOR RELIEF
WHEREFORE, Plaintiffs respectfully pray that this Court:
1. Adjudge and declare that the challenged prohibition and closure of the rivers, streams, lakes, and waterways in California is unlawful pursuant to all the acts, laws, and regulations as set forth in Counts I – XI of this Complaint, and that Defendants have acted beyond the scope of their legal authority in adopting those actions, and that such actions violate the Constitution of the United States, and the State of California as set forth above;
2. Enjoin and restrain Defendants, their agents, employees, successors, and all persons acting in concert or participating with them, from enforcing or implementing, and requiring others to enforce or implement, the aforesaid prohibition and closure and related rules, regulations, and polices; and issue a temporary, preliminary and/or permanent injunction against Defendants pursuant to Rule 65, Federal Rules of Civil Procedure;
3. Declare unlawful and set aside SB 670, as being in violation of the Constitution of the United States,and the laws of the United States, as well as the Constitution of the State of California;
4. Issue and order quieting title to Plaintiffs’ mining claims and mineral estates by determining Plaintiffs’ aforesaid property is benefited by an implied right to use vacuum and suction dredge mining in order to prospect on Federal lands and develop Plaintiffs’ mining claims and mineral estates.
5. Grant such damages as are proven at trial, with interest on the damages at the maximum annual rate as allowed by law, from such earliest date as allowed by law;
6. Award the Plaintiffs their reasonable attorneys fees and costs, including expert costs, and expenses of litigation as allowed by law, including, without limitation, and as applicable, the Equal Access to Justice Act, 28 U.S.C. § 241, et seq.; 42 U.S.C. § 1988, California Code of Civil Procedure § 1021.5, the common fund doctrine, and other applicable laws, concepts or doctrines, whether legal or equitable, rules of Court, or other rules and regulations; and
7. Grant such other and further relief as the Court deems just and proper, including an award of attorney’s fees, costs, and expenses.

Dated: September 14, 2009 LAW OFFICES OF DAVID YOUNG
By /s/ David Young David Young
Attorneys for Plaintiffs
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California politicians blunder

It is absolutely established that a valid unpatented placer mining claim is in fact a Statutory Federal Grant of “private property” derived from 30 U.S.C. § 21-54. All unpatented placer mining claims situated in California are on federally owned lands, under jurisdiction of the USFS, or BLM. Otherwise none would exist, as federal land is the only place an unpatented mining claim can be initiated, and held.

As long as the Federal government retains title, the federal interest in providing free access to its own land in order to promote mining is sufficient to preempt any state law that fundamentally bans such use. Thus under standard preemption analysis any state legislation, or regulation that conflicts with this overriding federal purpose, must fail.

Under the Supremacy Clause, any state law that conflicts with a federal law is preempted. Gibbons v. Ogden, 22 U.S. 1 (1824). Any state legislation which frustrates the full effectiveness of federal law is rendered invalid by the Supremacy Clause" regardless of the underlying purpose of its enactors, Perez v. Campbell, 402 U.S. 637, 651-52, 91 S.Ct. 1704, 29 L.Ed.2d 233 (1971)

A conflict exists if a party cannot comply with both state law and federal law. In addition, even in the absence of a direct conflict between state and federal law, a conflict exists if the state law is an obstacle to the accomplishment and execution of the full purposes and objectives of Congress. Crosby v. Nat’l Foreign Trade Council, 530 U.S. 363, 372-73 (2000).

In determining whether a state law is a sufficient obstacle, the courts examine the federal statute as a whole and identify its purpose and intended effects and then determine the impact of the challenged law on congressional intent. State law can be pre-empted in either of two general ways. If Congress evidences an intent to occupy a given field, any state law falling within that field is pre-empted.

If Congress has not entirely displaced state regulation over the matter in question, state law is still pre-empted to the extent it actually conflicts with federal law, that is, when it is impossible to comply with both state and federal law, or where the state law stands as an obstacle to the accomplishment of the full purposes and objectives of Congress. California Coastal Comm’n v. Granite Rock Co., 480 U.S. 572, 581 (1987)

An 1998 8th Circuit Court of Appeals case revolving around near identical prohibitions on unpatented mining claims, wherein holders brought suit claiming that federal mining laws preempted ordinance prohibiting issuance of any new or amended permits for surface metal mining within area which included federal lands. Private landowner intervened to defend the ordinance.

The United States District Court for the District of South Dakota, Richard H. Battey, Chief Judge, 977 F.Supp. 1396, granted summary judgment for plaintiffs and enjoined the ordinance. Intervener appealed.

The Court of Appeals, Hansen, Circuit Judge, held that: (1) preemption claim was ripe, and (2) Federal Mining Act preempted ordinance. Affirmed; South Dakota Mining Association Inc v. Lawrence County, 155 F.3d 1005

The only locatable mineral on the majority of unpatented placer claims held under federal law is placer gold. Which is naturally concentrated in stream or river bed gravels, and usualy no where else in worthwhile amounts. The only economically viable means to profitably recover placer gold in stream or river gravel is by “suction dredging”.

Accordingly, suction dredging is the “Highest & Best Use” of placer mining claims.
As a matter of fact, it is only viable use, as no other mining method is practical, economical, or profitable.

When the only viable use of an unpatented placer mining claim is by suction dredging, arbitrarily prohibiting that use (even temporarily) effects a complete “taking” of all economic benefit the owner could derive from it, for the duration of the ban.

The Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution, made applicable to state and local governments by the Fourteenth Amendment, prohibits the government from taking private property for public use without just compensation.

The California Constitution provides, "Private property may be taken or damaged for public use only when just compensation ... has first been paid to, or into court for, the owner." (Cal. Const., art. I, § 19.)

It is well established that just compensation… is the full value of the property taken at the time of the taking, plus interest from the date of taking. United States v. Blankinship, 9 Cir., 1976, 543 F.2d 1272, 1275.

Without doubt, S.B. 670 capriciously deprives thousands of families of their legitimate livelihood, and caused an immediate gross compensatory “taking” of valid existing rights, and compensable private property interests of considerable magnitude.

Neither the USFS, or BLM will enforce this state law, given that that federal statutes, and regulations preempt this suction dredging ban on unpatented placer mining claims situated on federal lands under their control in California. That clearly should give public notice the federal courts will most certainly, and quickly take the same position the USFS/BLM has.

The Treasury of the State of California will ultimately be held liable to pay compensable damages to all those effected, accruing from August 6th 2009 forward. Until at least the illegal ban on suction dredging unpatented placer mining claims is lifted, or if necessary overturned by appropriate federal court action.

Plainly, Senator Wiggins who introduced this Bill, all the legislature that voted for it, and even the Governor failed to have S.B. 670 analyzed for critical federal preemption flaws, or significant “takings” liabilities it would create.

It would seen astute on the part of the California legislature to limit state financial liabilities here by swiftly correcting this law, to effect only a suction dredging ban on fee simple lands in California, which federal law may not preempt.

If not corrected quickly, state coffers will needlessly expend precious funds in paying attorney fees, and costs attempting to delay the inevitable overruling of S.B. 670 illegal provisions in federal court. Involved compensatory damages could well approach $60,000,000 annually. If ignored, those applicable damages will certainly compound over time with interest, costs and attorney fees applied.

California politicians should ponder that the 3,200 other current California suction dredge permit holders, and approximately 21,000 other similarly situated owners of unpatented placer mining claims on federal lands in California will justifiably require compensation for their loss’s S.B 670 directly caused them.

Once all affected are joined in a class action, which will most certainly prevail.
Who do these politicians think will be billed for that compensation?
Without question, it will most certainly be the treasury of the state of California.

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"Under the mining laws a person has a statutory right, consistent with Departmental regulations, to go upon the open (unappropriated and unreserved) Federal lands for the purpose of mineral prospecting, exploration, development, extraction and other uses reasonably incident thereto." (See 30 U.S.C. § 21-54, 43 C.F.R. § 3809.3-3, 0-6).

Federal mining claims are "private property" Freese v. United States, 639 F.2d 754, 757, 226 Ct.Cl. 252 cert. denied, 454 U.S. 827, 102 S.Ct. 119, 70 L.Ed.2d 103 (1981); Oil Shale Corp. v. Morton, 370 F.Supp. 108, 124 (D.Colo. 1973).

This possessory interest entitles the claimant to "the right to extract all minerals from the claim without paying royalties to the United States." Swanson v. Babbitt, 3 F.3d 1348, 1350 (9th Cir. 19930).

16 U.S.C. § 481, Use of Waters: All waters within boundaries of national forests may be used for domestic, mining, milling, or irrigation purposes under the laws of the state wherein such national forests are situated or under the laws of the United States and the rules and regulations established thereunder.

"Uncompensated divestment" of a valid unpatented mining claim would violate the Constitution. Freese v. United States, 639 F.2d 754, 757, 226 Ct.Cl. 252, cert. denied, 454 U.S. 827, 102 S.Ct. 119, 70 L.Ed. 2d 103 (1981).

Even though title to the fee estate remains in the United States, these unpatented mining claims are themselves property protected by the Fifth Amendment against uncompensated takings. See Best v. Humboldt Placer Mining Co., 371 U.S. 334 (1963); cf. Forbes v. Gracey, 94 U.S. 762, 766 (1876); U.S.C.A.Const. Amend. 5; North American Transportation & Trading Co. v. U.S., 1918, 53 Ct.Cl. 424, affirmed 40 S.Ct. 518, 253 U.S. 330; United States v. Locke, 471 U.S. 84, 107, 105 S.Ct. 1785, 1799, 85 L.Ed. 2d 64 (1985); Freese v. United States, 639 F.2d 754, 757, 226 Ct.Cl. 252, cert. denied, 454 U.S. 827, 102 S.Ct. 119, 70 L.Ed. 2d 103 (1981); Rybachek v. United States, 23 Cl.Ct. 222 (1991).

A valid location, though unpatented, is a grant in the nature of an estate in fee and if such an estate is taken by the United States, just compensation must be made. See U.S.C.A. Const. Amend. 5, North American Transportation & Trading Co. v. U.S., 1918, 53 Ct.Cl. 424, affirmed 40 S.Ct. 518, 253 U.S. 330

Such an interest may be asserted against the United States as well as against third parties (see Best v. Humboldt Placer Mining Co., 371 U.S. 334, 336 (1963); Gwillim v. Donnellan, 115 U.S. 45, 50 (1885)) and may not be taken from the claimant by the United States without due compensation. See United States v. North American Transportation & Trading Co., 253 U.S. 330 (1920); cf. Best v. Humboldt Placer Mining Co.

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Ignorance of the Law excuses no one
Especially, California lawmakers


The California Legislature in passing SB 670. A law which illegally prohibits all gold mining by small scale suction dredging state wide for an indefinite period of time. Displays a perfect example of disregard for the Rule of Law by the California state legislature.

It is at best sad, if not horrific private citizens have to remind elected officials the U.S. Constitution mandates that “no private property shall be taken for public use without just compensation. Likewise, the Constitution of California mandates the state is an inseparable part of the United States of America, and the United States Constitution is the supreme law of the land.

That a person may not be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law, or denied equal protection of the laws; and Private property may only be taken or damaged for a public use when just compensation, has first been paid to the owner.

California was admitted into the Union upon the express condition that the people of said State, through their legislature or otherwise, shall never interfere with the primary disposal of the public lands within its limits, and shall pass no law and do no act whereby the title of the United States to, and right to dispose of, the same shall be impaired or questioned;

And that all the navigable waters within the said State shall be common highways, and forever free, as well to the inhabitants of said State as to the citizens of the United States, without any tax, impost, or duty therefore.

Indisputably, under both federal, and state law, a valid unpatented placer mining claim is in fact "private property", granting the owner the right to mine it, and profit from the flow of income derived from doing so.

No one disputes, the state has the right to reasonably regulate suction dredge mining to protect the environment. However, under federal law prospecting, locating and developing mineral resources on federal lands, which comprise 45% of California may not be prohibited nor so unreasonably circumscribed as to amount to a total prohibition.

Plainly, suction dredging is the only practical, economical and environmentally sound gold mining method available to citizens of ordinary means, who own placer mining claims. There is no other viable method to mine placer gold concentrated on or near bedrock in river, or stream gravels.

Clearly, taking an Oath of Office, that they will support the Constitution of the United States, and the Constitution of the state of California, to faithfully discharge those duties elected state officials are obligated to know the very foundation of the Rule of Law, and facts of any matter they are to govern.

The facts here are straight forward. The major impetus behind SB 670 is supposedly to protect water quality, and the spawning grounds of threatened or endangered Salmon & Steelhead runs in California.

Fact: The exterior boundaries of salmon / steelhead watersheds cover a total of only about 1/3 of the state of California. Precise maps of applicable waterways show them to be less than 8% of the state.

2/3rds of California contain no salmon / steelhead habitat. Obviously, no protection is necessary, where no salmon habitat exists. Yet illogically the SB 670 suction dredge ban is statewide.

Fact; There are 64,438 miles of rivers, and 124,615 miles of streams, totaling 211,513 miles of waterways in California.

If the 3,200 suction dredge permit holders were to operate simultaneously, there would only be one single suction dredge operating per 70 miles of existing California waterways. If half that number were operating simultaneously, there would only be one single suction dredge operating per 140 miles of waterways. Given that fact, suction dredging has so small an impact, it cannot be more than negligible.

Fact: Massive unrestricted hydraulic mining began in California circa 1853 and ended in 1884. Bucket line dredge mining began in California circa 1890, diminished during WW2 and ended about 1960.

The combined effects of those antiquated gold mining methods was to wash about two billion tons of silt, sediment, & tailings, as well as approximately 5 million lbs of mercury into California streams, and rivers that are salmon / steelhead habitat.

Certainly, those mammoth sized gold mining methods had a wide range of devastating effects on water quality & salmon habitat environment. Even so, California salmon, steelhead & trout populations remained relatively stable throughout that 80 year span of time.

Given that fact, plainly, the effects of modern day small scale suction dredging are so infinitesimally small, they are realistically of no practical consequence on water quality & fish habitat.

Fact: Proponents argue suction dredging stirs up & disperses mercury lost in California waterways from historic gold mining methods.

Reality: The argument is totally without merit, as modern day suction dredges catch, recover and remove 98% of mercury passing through them. Which is beneficial to the environment, rather that adverse to it.

Fact: SB 670 mandates a state wide study of suction dredging effects, costing tax payers $1.5 million dollars.

Reality: Dozens of peer reviewed authoritative scientific studies of small scale suction dredging performed by numerous federal, state agencies, and universities exist already. All those study reports clearly show suction dredging has only a fleeting negligible effect on water quality & fish habitat.

Given the massive amount of credible scientific information & reports that already exist on the subject. Any competent agency could simply compile those reports, then draw reasonable unbiased conclusions from them, rather that duplicate identical studies at great cost to the tax payer.

Fact: Pre SB 670 DF&G regulations prohibit suction dredging in rivers, or stream area's during times when critical life events of salmon occur.

Reality: Because suction dredging was already prohibited in areas & at times where critical salmon life events occur. Suction dredging cannot have any more than negligible impact on salmon spawning habitat, as no suction dredging takes place during those events.

Fact: Fiscal Effect: According to the Senate Appropriations Committee, SB 670 has negligible state costs.

The truth: According to a recent study the fiscal effects of SB 670 will cause economic loss between $60 to $100 million dollars annually. Primarily forced on individuals, mining claim owners, small business entities, and suction dredge manufactures.

Fact: SB 670 is said to impose a temporary 2 year ban on suction dredging.

Reality: DF&G was previously court ordered to complete a suction dredge study, and failed to do so. Given that history, DF&G may take years, a decade, or possibly never complete the SB 670 study. As such, for all practical purposes the SB 670 suction dredge ban is indefinite.

Fact: SB 670 was passed as an “urgency” measure, to take effect immediately, based on “findings” by the legislator that suction dredging results in various adverse environmental impacts on protected species of fish.

Reality: CF&G previous study shows only fleeting negligible adverse impact, and their own existing regulations minimize all potential impact by prohibiting suction dredging in places, and times where critical life events of salmon occur.

Moreover, the legislature continues to ignore dozens of credible studies that clearly show small scale suction dredging has only a fleeting, and negligible impact on water quality, and fisheries. No environmental emergency exists, but the California legislature arbitrarily declares one here, to imposed an illegal law immediatly.

Fact: Astute legislators always submit proposed laws to the state attorney generals office for a legal opinion whether the new law will cause, or create compensable takings of private property, create financial liabilities to the state, and/or could the proposed law be preempted by overriding federal law. Resulting in federal court challenges from affected damaged parties, that cannot be well defended, nor won.

Reality: The California legislature apparently did not ask the state attorney generals office for any legal opinion regarding the effects of SB 670. Thus, the legislature proceeded blindly, without full knowledge of the legal facts, consequences, ramifications or possible damages of their actions.

Fact: Unquestionably, massive water diversions to irrigate California's agricultural crops, hydroelectric dams to power all of California’s electrical needs, agricultural pollutants, industrial pollutants, logging effects, over fishing, aversive ocean conditions, are obviously the primary cause of salmon population declines.

Those California water, and fish habitat pollution issues are so huge, the truth is California legislature can do little to abate them, without shutting down the very infrastructure of the state.

Instead of tackling the real pollution issues affecting water quality, and fish habitat. California politicians chose to attack, and unjustly prohibit small scale suction dredging, who’s overall impact is so small, it is of no realistic consequence.

The reality here is that proponents of SB 670 used a progressive smear campaign disseminating volumes of misinformation, disinformation, distorted Nazi style propaganda, and outright lies in the hope of fostering the political view that suction dredge gold mining by a relatively tiny group of individuals in California is a major cause of water quality pollution, causing the decline of local salmon populations.

Ponder for a moment, near 3 million California fishermen, casually kill fish as leisure sport. California’s commercial fishermen kill fish for profit. Various California Indian tribes, some with, and some without federally protected rights to harvest fish with dip nets kill massive numbers of salmon every year. These are the very groups that supported SB 670. To anyone with common sense, the hypocrisy in that is astounding.

California fishermen themselves annually cast out, and lose more than 100 tons of lead, innumerable metal swivels, millions of steel hooks, and immeasurable lengths of monofilament plastic fishing line into waterways.

Then, have the gall to point fingers, loudly proclaiming suction dredging harms water quality, and is causing the decline of salmon populations. When, in fact there is no credible evidence, suction dredging has ever harmed, or killed a single salmon.

Ponder for another moment, the combined pollution caused by all motorized boating in California exceeds many million fold any possible adverse effect small scale suction dredging has on waterways with California. Yet, California politicians would never ban recreation boating within the same waterways suction dredgers dredge in.

Apparently the California politicians who voted for passage of SB 670 are so blind, so gullible, so easy to fool they did not even take the time, or make the effort to determine what the truth, and facts of this matter, they themselves then vote on.

Plainly, It is impossible to make a fair, honest, unbiased judgment, or decision in any matter, without full knowledge of the true facts of any matter before you. Making any uniformed judgment is against the very oath of office they swore to uphold, and is in complete distain of the fiduciary duty every legislator has to govern fairly. To do otherwise, is negligent malfeasance.

SB 670 has caused, and will continue to cause tens of millions of dollars in gross economic loss annually to depressed rural areas of California. SB 670 illegally deprives 3,200 suction dredge permit holders, about 21,000 placer mining claim owners the right to mine gold they own, in the most viable, efficient, profitable, and environmentally friendly manner possible.

Sadly, California politicians in passing an illegal statewide prohibition on suction dredge mining, have forced those damaged to file a federal court action, to protect their mining rights, and to recover damages this irreconcilable law caused.

Anyone cognizant of the law, as previously decided in cases like California Coastal Commission et al., v. Granite Rock Co., 480 U.S. 572, 592, 107 S.Ct.1419, 1425 (1987). Which determined….."State and local regulations which render a mine commercially impracticable cannot be enforced".

Or another similar case, where mining on federally protected unpatented claims was prohibited, the court found, (1) preemption claim was ripe, and (2) Federal Mining Act preempted ordinance. Affirmed; South Dakota Mining Association Inc v. Lawrence County, 155 F.3d 1005

Given the law, the irrefutable fact that federal law preempts conflicting state law, and clear legal precedents already established. There is no doubt, this suction dredge mining ban will be flatly rejected, as plainly preempted by overriding federal law. The only issue left, would be to decide who is entitled to damages, and the amount.

The truly sad thing here, is all the pain, suffering, harm, depravation, loss and damage forced on a small minority, intentionally caused by California politicians willfully passing a law that clearly will not withstand a federal court challenge. For shame, as they are obligated to know better.

Gold mining is as quintessential to California, as a fish is to water. To illegally ban the right of a prospector, to mine what he struggled so hard to find, claimed, developed, owns, pays property tax on, and invested all he could, that he might profit from any gold he works so hard to recover, is abhorrent to any free mans sense of justice.

Apparently, California politicians lack such understanding, even though a clear reminder is often worn on their own finger, in the form of a gold wedding ring. The gold in it, may well have been mined in California, by a prospector. That same small minority group they have now unfairly disenfranchised, with the passage of SB 670.

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CALIFORNIA ADMISSION TO Union
Act for the Admission of California Into the Union
Volume 9
Statutes at Large
Page 452
Whereas, the people of California have presented a constitution and asked admission into the Union, which constitution was submitted to Congress by the President of the United States, by message date February thirteenth, eighteen hundred and fifty, and which, on due examination, is found to be republican in its form of government:

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress Assembled, That the State of California shall be one, and is hereby declared to be one, of the United States of America, and admitted into the Union on an equal footing with the original States in all respects whatever.

Sec. 2. And be it further enacted, That until the representatives in Congress shall be apportioned according to an actual enumeration of the inhabitants of the United States, the State of California shall be entitled to two representatives in Congress.

Sec. 3. And be it further enacted, That the said State of California is admitted into the Union upon the express condition that the people of said State, through their legislature or otherwise, shall never interfere with the primary disposal of the public lands within its limits, and shall pass no law and do no act whereby the title of the United States to, and right to dispose of, the same shall be impaired or questioned;

and that they shall never lay any tax or assessment of any description whatsoever upon the public domain of the United States, and in no case shall non-resident proprietors, who are citizens of the United States, be taxed higher than residents;

and that all the navigable waters within the said State shall be common highways, and forever free, as well to the inhabitants of said State as to the citizens of the United States, without any tax, impost, or duty therefor.

Provided, That nothing herein contained shall be construed as recognizing or rejecting the propositions tendered by the people of California as articles of compact in the ordinance adopted by the convention which formed the constitution of that State.
Approved, September 9, 1850.

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We've all read about California's SB 670 which was signed into law in August 2009 imposing a moratorium on dredging operations throughout California. One of the driving forces behind this legislation was the Karuk Indian Tribe. Below is a page excerpted from their Summer 2009 Newsletter where they applauded the bills passage into law. Hopefully, the lawsuit filed by PLP and others will overturn SB670 so that normal dredging operations can soon continue -



Karuk Wins Legislative Victory Over Dredge Miners
S. Craig Tucker, Ph.D., Klamath Coordinator

On August 6, 2009, Governor Schwarzenegger
signed a bill to temporarily ban the destructive form of
recreational gold mining known as suction dredging.
The Karuk Tribe collaborated with Senator Pat Wiggins
on writing the bill and led a coalition effort to shepard
it through the legislature.
With its signing, the bill places an immediate
moratorium on all suction dredge mining until the
California Department of Fish and Game develops
and implements new suction dredge regulations that
are protective of fisheries and water quality. The bill
attracted broad bi-partisan support and passed both
houses of the legislature with a 2/3 majority.
“We’ve been working to protect our fisheries from
destructive mining practices for 150 years,” said Bob
Goodwin, Karuk Self Governance Coordinator. “This
law requires the state use the best available science in
determining where and when hobby miners can operate
their dredges without harming our fisheries. Until then,
no dredging will be allowed in California.”
The Tribe hopes that at the end of the rule making
process, the size of dredges will be limited and critical
habitats and spawning areas for threatened species will
be off limits while allowing dredgers access to areas
less vital for the survival of at-risk species.
This recent struggle over dredge mining started
in 1997 when Coho salmon were added to the state and
federal endangered species list. At that point California
Fish and Game Department regulations required that
mining rules be re-examined. They were not. In 2005,
the Karuk Tribe sued the Department which
admitted that a rule change was in order.
“In 2006 we actually proposed some
modest restrictions limited to the Klamath
Basin. The Department agreed, but the
New 49ers and other local mining groups
intervened and blocked implementation of
the settlement,” explains Goodwin.
The judge did order the Department
to go through a public rule making process
consistent with the California Environmental
Quality Act (CEQA) by June 2008. However,
the Department failed to comply with the
court order.
“We kept trying to get the money in the
Department’s budget, but the New 49ers kept
lobbying against it. We had little recourse
other than legislating the ban to protect our fishery,”
concluded Goodwin.
Dredging is also a public health issue because it
remobilizes toxic mercury left behind by 19th century gold
miners. According to Elizabeth (Izzy) Martin, Executive
Director of the Sierra Fund, “Dredges suck up mercury
buried in river sediment and remobilizes that mercury in
our river and streams. This creates a significant health threat
to subsistence fishermen, pregnant women and children as
well as wildlife.”
Although the moratorium does spare rivers from
dredges, other forms of mining are unaffected and miners
will still have access to their claims.
What is a Dredge?
Suction dredges are powered by gas or diesel engines
that are mounted on floating pontoons in the river. Attached
to the engine is a powerful vacuum hose which the dredger
uses to suction up the gravel and sand (sediment) from the
bottom of the river. The material passes through a sluice
box where heavier gold particles can settle into a series of
riffles. The rest of the gravel is simply dumped back into
the river. Often this reintroduces mercury left over from
historic mining operations to the water column, threatening
communities downstream and getting into the human food
chain. Depending on size, location and density of these
machines they can turn a clear running mountain stream
into a murky watercourse unfit for swimming.
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Hi Rich,

I've just moved your post and a couple others pertaining to the SB670 into this thread.
I think that the lawsuit was advised not to be filed according to another post I read today here in the forums.


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QUOTE (ColoradoProspector @ Feb 27 2010, 11:25 AM) *
Hi Rich,

I've just moved your post and a couple others pertaining to the SB670 into this thread.
I think that the lawsuit was advised not to be filed according to another post I read today here in the forums.



Thanks, Dan. I just thought the slant from the Karuk Tribe newsletter was interesting - "hobby miners", damaging spawning areas, remobilizing toxic mercury, etc. I don't do any dredging, but I thought there were regulations in place as to when dredging is allowed so as not to interfere with fish spawns (and dredging also brought new food sources to the streams). Also though that dredging actually helped to remove mercury.
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QUOTE (RichDColorado @ Feb 28 2010, 04:25 PM) *
Thanks, Dan. I just thought the slant from the Karuk Tribe newsletter was interesting - "hobby miners", damaging spawning areas, remobilizing toxic mercury, etc. I don't do any dredging, but I thought there were regulations in place as to when dredging is allowed so as not to interfere with fish spawns (and dredging also brought new food sources to the streams). Also though that dredging actually helped to remove mercury.

The Karuk's environmental game is being played by the eco-terrorists. When I was over in Happy camp last I knew a handful of Hoopa and Karuk that dredged. They are cutting off their noses in spite of their face.

I don't see how the state can regulate what is done on federal lands. Technically it's out of their jurisdiction.
I guess I'll have to write Gov. S. again.


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