North American Diamonds, Exploration of US Options

[Bennie]

In 1975 diamonds were accidentally discovered in wyoming, to date there has been over 300 kimberlites discovered between colorado and wyoming. Atleast 200 discovered by Dan Hausel while he was chief of exploration.
since 1980 many properties have seen or visited by companies , most if not all have yielded diamond. In the begining cominco desighned a terrible mill and as a result many Diamonds were lost. last year one ton of tailings were re processed for diamond content and no suprise to dan hausel a 4 carat diamond was recovered.
These diamond bearing rocks called kimberlites can be located through many exploration techniques. one of the most popular is looking for indicator minerals ans these tell a pro theres a kimberlite nearby.
another popular technique is a fly over with special mounted equipment made especially for locating these anomolys. Myself I use one of the best techniques "keeping my eyes peeled to the ground" one would want to see blueground; eroded kimberlites and source of indicator minerals.
once a site is located , sampling is generally the first thing. Mining companies sample anywhere from .5 of a ton to 300 tons . ore grades in the state- line district varied from .1CPHT to 135.cpht (carats per hundred tonnes, tonne=200lbs more}
but again cominco lost diamonds they desighned 3 mills each more worse than the previous . Numerous indicator mineral anomols exist in colorado and wyoming > after Dan discovered 200 kimberlites for Diamonex, he told me theres still many discoveries to be made on both sides of the border.
most if not all kimberlites in the stateline district are infact owned thus off limits.
Canada started mining a few short years ago and are now number3 in the world. Canada even produced more than Africa last year. Fact DeBeers sold all properties in Africa and are exploring thier new sites in Canada which are considered "WorldClass". Myself I have 20+ excellent targets to follow up on and will keep the CP's site fresh and keep you guys updated

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[Bennie]

heres some of the blueground which was rock, millions of years ago

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[Bennie]

my hardrock specimens of kimberlite

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[russau]

thanks for the post Bennie! ive been adding diamond info for my own edification! i even have a peice of Missouri Kimberlite.

[Bennie]

Heres some of the indicator minerals

the uppermost is a picroilminite megnacryst an excellent indicator mineral and a great specimen
then most are primarily pyrope-almandine megnacrysts about 60 miles depth and are nice specimens as these usually shatter into individual grains when you find em and most are small in comparison
and the white mineral , dont quote me but it apears to be a an eclogitic fragment of a fieldspar vaiety

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[Denise]

Definately a good post Bennie! Lots of good info on Diamonds, and cool finds.
Bet you were pretty excited when finding those goodies.
Thanks for the information on Diamonds....Keep it coming.

[Bennie]

another pic i dug up

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[Bennie]

Few know some of the very interesting facts about diamonds and their origin.

Diamonds were formed at depths of between 150 to 400km (Kilometers, not meters) below the earths surface in the upper mantle back as far as 2000,000,000 (2 billion)or more years ago.

in geological history in North America, about 500,000,000 (500 million)years ago, explosive volcanic eruptions broughts peridotitic lava from very deep seated origin in the mantle to the surface. These melts took place bringing diamond bearing eclogites and harzburgites that contain diamonds ,as they come up (At Mach2 Speed)they bring up forighn rocks called xenoliths of these rocks and brought , Diamonds usually survive their journey due to unique gas rich circumstances reguarding Kimberlites which actually freezez the conglomerate before it reaches the surphase, the volcanic activity fillied in the necks of these pipes,with a unique diamond bearing ore called kimberlite, remained and contained diamonds that had been brought from their source 90 miles below
Diamond exploration Experts follow these indicator trails by sampling and other means, to determine where these ancient volcanic pipes are situated.
Some of these indicator minerals are quite rare and some are better than others , These were all excellent indicator minerals. These were all found at a overlooked location that will remain nameless

[mystic mining]

Great info Bennie thanks for sharing

[Bennie]

whell the other day I may have located a very ridiculously large sized kimberlite pipe in Colorado.
This may or may not be a Diamondiferious kimberlite , but am positive its related as I found many Xenoliths inside this pipe. The xenoliths found inside arent the conventional Indicator Minerals, But for sure came from an unknown depth and are present on the surphase. It apears to have eroded to the usual blue soils mainly Chlorite and montmorillonite clay, in this picture you can see sodium carbonate on the granitic rocks in the lake, another characteristic of kimberlite there is no source of salt ANYWHERE in this granitic basement,

This might be a kimberlite , im not certain but will know shortly as im contacting the best ,
If a kimberlite , would prove the largest pipe in The USA
Bennie

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[Bennie]

funny enough as I already sound, these xenoliths I found under the lake resemble pieces kimberlite, which could be an indicator

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[Bennie]

Whell guys, this is a kimberlite, even though I stumbled on these by accident , Dan Hausel told me that he discovered these last year for Diamonex when he was chief of exploration. he even said theres 5 lakes in a trend all of which are kimberlites. Im going to try to give Diamonex the shaft

[Bennie]

Heres a clearer pic of the Xenoliths, yes a few of which are in Fact;
Kimberlitic Indicator Minerals

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[faaus]

Way to go Bennie! I knew you were a real fan of ice!

I found a tiny sparkler in glacial tailings, but it looks like you are hot on the trail of a possible source! Few kimberlites actually host diamonds, but most are full of great mineral specimens, and often some superb giat crystals.

I strongly suggest that you read "Barren Lands" by Kevin Krajick. Here's a link to the website:

http://www.barrenlands.com/

I enjoyed it enough that I wrote to the author. he's a really cool guy and was even interested in my tiny diamond find.

You will enjoy (and learn from) the real-life hero of the book, Chuck Fipke, whose hard work and determination uncovered the now-famous Ekati diamond mines.

I wish you great success and enjoyment.

faaus

[russau]

thanks for the tip Faaus! im going out to buy this today!

[Bennie]

Great info Faaus!!!
if you have any north american diamond of kimberlite pictures add em to our group

http://www.flickr.com/groups/northamericandiamonds/

[Bennie]

ive edited this picture to see the real colors, as this pic earlier looked more blue than usual , this picture is great because you get to look directly into disolved rock , you can see the many many rocks that get brought up in the kimberlite , if you look closley you can see many of precious and semi precious gravels haha , Pic taken in may , nuff said

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[Bennie]

What Bennie's Been Doing Latley

[Bennie]

heres an interesting find, its almost identified but is bieng cleaned 1st
20 pounder in matrix , I call it the egg

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[Bennie]

heres another pic still dirty but,
the red and green is garnet and chrome diopside which has serpantanized and began wheathering ,

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[nm jack]

Great pics Bennie!! Some of those pics sure look like this stuff here in NM I've been steppin' over. Has anyone done any research in NM??? Would anyone be interested in any of these places here
I've Located?? How about a nice piece of yellow cake?? Sure wish I knew where to start.

C'ya

[russau]

id be interested in these locations, but just for curiosity sake! the price of fuel today keeps me close to home.

[Bennie]

whell Jack , most kimberlites usually full of very old prescious rock from the upper mantle (types of kyanites corundums spinels found in lherzolites eclogites harzburgites peridotites which all are encrusted with chrome diopside and garnet and others) heres an "Garnet Lherzolite Nodule" from the upper mantle notice the rare purple G10 garnets ;)
Kimberlites are usually easy to identify as when they weather they become a destinct soft clay which if you take the shovel too , you would be able to see different colors or paterns in which are some forighn rocks which got picked up, when kimberlites soften and breakdown they release hydrochloric acid which will destroy most even gemmy specimens, so most best musieum worth pieces lie deep and in unweathered kimberlite ,
Diamond is unaffected by any acid known to man
Ive a lot of pics you may visit my photo gallery
http://www.freewebs.com/bennieu/apps/photos/
also russ letme know when you wanna dig w me

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[Bennie]

heres a piece of pipe with a few small rare blue kyanite eclogite nodules also from the earths upper mantle

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[Bennie]

i just like to show off large finds haha , this is a very abraisive rock

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[Bennie]

this and thelast one are yet to be identified but all have some type of signature commiting the origin to the upper mantle , on this one you can see the g10 garnet megacryst's in a unidentified mantle rock

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[Bennie]

ice in matrix , small trigons concluded they are infact diamond

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[Bennie]

notice the grass roots sticking out the wheathered kimberlite clump I poked out exposing virgin soil

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[Bennie]

Diamondiferious Kimberlites are only found in older precambrian sides of the basement where as not diamondiferious kimberlites are found on younger prortions of the craton,,,, in colorado and wyoming most of the kimberlites are found in precambrian granite and most of the time the granite is reddish to brown and KIMBERLITE is very noticeble when located at surphase or anywhere from an inch to a few feet down it can be found
heres a picture of the usual destinct kimberlitic soils outcropping the surphase where its very gray blue compared to the red granitic soils that make up the precambrian basement of the area which also has no source of montmorillonite calcium or chlorite onthe precambrian areas with the exception of a Diamondiferious intrusion or a fossil bed hehe if you see gray white blue purple or green soil in a precambrian area it should be explored for "xenoliths"which are forighn rocks and can even be circles or paterns of other soils in the kimberlite which is nocicable when the rock-soil is cut with the shovel if you see that your definalley talkin , at which point youd explore it for definitive indicator minerals that would be undeniable evidence an ultrmafic mantle origin ......
maybe this will come in handy for you someday , never know where the next "thing" will be located then to own an awesome site , theres some motivation ,,, lol

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[russau]

Bennie i wonder if that lake is what you think it is ,i wonder if dredgeing that lake would ease the recovery of diamonds??

[Bennie]

Hello Russ, whell when we dug in a few of these lakes , which there is no less than 20 of em here in colorado , I observed deeply wheathered kimberlite and csalcuim carbonate build up on the shorelines I did find pieces of eclogite at a few of the lakes but , from research on some of the world class kimberlite pipes in canada which are under lakes , they all have the good kimberlite buried under 50 meters of bunk kimberlire most of the lakes turned up xenoliths that were quartz and granite related IE zeolite , quartzite , rutile and 1 of the lakes in particular did furnish evidence to the upper mantle

[faaus]

Hello Russ, whell when we dug in a few of these lakes , which there is no less than 20 of em here in colorado , I observed deeply wheathered kimberlite and csalcuim carbonate build up on the shorelines I did find pieces of eclogite at a few of the lakes but , from research on some of the world class kimberlite pipes in canada which are under lakes , they all have the good kimberlite buried under 50 meters of bunk kimberlire most of the lakes turned up xenoliths that were quartz and granite related IE zeolite , quartzite , rutile and 1 of the lakes in particular did furnish evidence to the upper mantle

Earlier in this thread, I mentioned the great book "Barren Lands" by Kevin Krajick. The website that supports that book has recently posted an hour-long illustrated video lecture by the author. Watching it should whet your appetite to read the book. You will learn a good bit of interesting informations about diamonds... and prospecting for them in the video...and more in the book:

http://www.barrenlands.com/

Heavy Pans,
faaus

[ASTROBLEME]

whell the other day I may have located a very ridiculously large sized kimberlite pipe in Colorado.
This may or may not be a Diamondiferious kimberlite , but am positive its related as I found many Xenoliths inside this pipe. The xenoliths found inside arent the conventional Indicator Minerals, But for sure came from an unknown depth and are present on the surphase. It apears to have eroded to the usual blue soils mainly Chlorite and montmorillonite clay, in this picture you can see sodium carbonate on the granitic rocks in the lake, another characteristic of kimberlite there is no source of salt ANYWHERE in this granitic basement,

This might be a kimberlite , im not certain but will know shortly as im contacting the best ,
If a kimberlite , would prove the largest pipe in The USA
Bennie

This is a Federal Mining Claim that is located, recorded, and maintained in accordance with 43 C. F. R. Part 3800 and 30 U. S. C. 1744 and all appropriate state laws. All persons are warned that disturbance of the monuments, surface, or improvements on this claim or removal of minerals of any type without permission of the claimant, will result in their prosecution under the appropriate state and federal statutes. Many of the other "lakes" and kimberlite emplacements in the area are also under claim.

Sincerely,

Tonko Mining Company, Inc.
http://www.meteoritecrater.com/

[russau]

This is a Federal Mining Claim that is located, recorded, and maintained in accordance with 43 C. F. R. Part 3800 and 30 U. S. C. 1744 and all appropriate state laws. All persons are warned that disturbance of the monuments, surface, or improvements on this claim or removal of minerals of any type without permission of the claimant, will result in their prosecution under the appropriate state and federal statutes. Many of the other "lakes" and kimberlite emplacements in the area are also under claim.

Sincerely,

Tonko Mining Company, Inc.
http://www.meteoritecrater.com/

yep i sure wouldnt want to trespass on anyones claim! i imagine theres enough of that as it is!but the information given here has been really enlightning to read and research about. ive seen some of these indicator materials in a sand and gravel plant that is getting its material from the anceint Mississippi River channel at 130/150 feet down and 5 miles from the current river channel. the close up colored pictures have helped educate this old man! and i say thank you for that!

[russau]

Faaus i bought that book"Barron lands" and im slowly reading it as i have time. its good! thanks for the headsup on it!

[Bennie]

My Point In Discusing These Anomolies Is ; Discoveries Like This Can Be Made , As Uncommon As One Would Invision HUGE DISCOVERIES CAN BE MADE , and Discoveries Happen To Doers Not Observers . I have Hiked over 100 Miles This Past Summer Alone Looking For Pipes ,
I Have Found Things That I Cant Even Talk About , None From The Redfeather Region ...

When Called by Mr Tonko I Told Him What Im Telling You All , I Believe The Lakes Are A Waste Of Time. But Only Time Will Tell as its still premature to say diamonex's findings compared to my own conclusions.
Yes I had Pictures Of The Unclaimable Lakes . Yes I Small grabbed the shorelines on the unclaimable but still connected TREND.
Research is Always Key To Claiming , Dont Be Afraid To Gather All Information Needed , Get MTP's Get LR2000 Get Documents From The BLM, Make Sure Where You Want Is Claimable , If You Think Youve Found Somthing Be Certain !!! ,Earlier This Summer I WAs Near Redfeather Lakes Colorado , I thought I may have Located a and at first wasnt sure it was a kimberlite , More Reasearch In The Area Proved That Mr Tonko Found em Before me and a year earlier also found by Hausel and way before that Discovered By Ft Collins's Own Howard G Coopersmith , I did Look Into This Area Thouroughly and Thats why I was gatherin Docs Mr. Tonko . I was Looking For My Own , theres Still Pipes Inside That Township That ARENT Claimed , I Know , Ive Seen Em , I Know Every Place There That Is Claimed . My Honest Opinion Is These Pipes Arent Favorable and are even along trend with the unfavorable "chicken park group" which i believe these lakes to be Eocene bearing hypabyssal kimberlites . also carbonate bearing but unlikley for diamonds .In A Few Of My Field Investigations I sampled The Larger and Unclaimable . Based On Some Of My Findings, Theres NO Evidence Of Any Ultramafic Source or Kimberlitic Indicators of any Kind, In One Of The Lakes I Found A Large Matric Orange Tourmaline Crystal Which Alone Suggests It Was Too Hot For Diamond Preservation and Other Pegmatic And Many Unrelatated Occurances Also Seemed To Popup not even as much as a grain was a kimberlitic indicator mineral , but they drilled em im just saying at the surphase nothing maybe 50 meters down Maybe .

In My Defense I wasnt advertising Any Openness or availability of any sites , I Did Wonder at one point but later Cured My Curioucity With a Peek at the public lakes where mining is withdrawln from the mtp and is a recreation area and I was not impresesed. Theres lots of claims better know where you are and what your doing or your not a prospector , Prospectors know whats going on and we dont get lost .
Not all of em are claimed as i mentioned Ive looked that area up and down and have seen ones that arent
Trust Me I Was Far From Impressed in The Lakes , But There Is Many Many Discoveries To Be Made Allover Just Wait !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Howard Coopersmith ::"Several companies came into the area over the years. In fact, Coopersmith said three separate companies explored in the same location that DiamonEx is interested in. Coopersmith himself was involved in exploration in that same area in 1978."
“I did test it in 1978 and it has been tested extensively twice since then,” he said. “Since then, everyone has walked away.”

The Truth Is Often More Interesting Than Fiction

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[Bennie]

This Is Good Stuff

Beautiful Diatreme Facies Not a hypabyssal Kimberlite, This Is What Its All About . Xenolith Rich, a Diamond is just a xenolith and , (Xenolith ; is just a forighn rock introduced into a "lava" and originated from an unknown depth ), This Kimberlite brought Diamond and A Variety Of Mantle Lherzolitic Kimberlitic Indicator minerals and Is Composed Of mostly mantle material , a conglomerate of mantle Xenoliths and indicator minerals , This Is An Example Of Hard Rock Kimberlite That Would Be Blasted And Crushed And Processed For Diamonds. This Specimen Is One Of My Own Personal Findings...

hypabyssal Kimberlite Is the waste properties and unusable Breccia which doesnt host diamonds and These Pipes Can Be in Close Proximity To Diamondifferious Xenolith Rich Diatreme Facies , But Due To The Circumstances Reguarding hypabyssal Kimberlites They are not Mined even if these pipes were touching good diatreme facies , and sometimes are .

" The Truth Is Often Stranger Than Fiction" (Bennie U 2008)

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[russau]

yep Bennie i understood your entire posting of info and im learning a lot about it! will i ever react to this posting? maybe not ,but ill be better prepared in the event that i do come across a location like this. thanks for the enlighting info!

[amethystguy]

WOW talk about good posts!! Very informative. Thanks for all the info Benny. Please keep us informed on how things are going and your time spent in the field. Makes for fascinating reading!

[Bennie]

Thank You For Reading

[ASTROBLEME]

Hi Everyone:

I certainly have no problem with exchanging information and promoting prospecting as I support those efforts with membership in several organizations including the Colorado Prospector club. On the otherhand, I have no respect for claim jumpers. Here's a set of photos detailing the excavation of sand samples and blue clays that were being collected without my permission from one my company's diamond mining claims this past summer.

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If anyone has further knowledge of this instance or any other incident of claim jumping efforts against my mineral right ownership, please let me know.

Sincerely,

Johnny Tonko
President
Tonko Mining Company, Inc.
http://www.meteoritecrater.com/

"A CLAIM JUMPER IS NOT A PROSPECTOR" Johnny Tonko 2008

[CP]

I'd like to thank Johnny for explaining a little bit more about this situation.
I'm sure it's quite frustrating to have found out about claim jumping on your claim via the internet.........big time GRRRRR!
TSK, TSK, to the mineral tresspasser(s)!

Whether someone is following trends or not in hopes of a new discovery, this does not justify claim jumping and I agree with Johnny......claim jumpers are not prospectors. Prospectors have respect for exsisting claim owners and are normally very careful not to tresspass claims.
That specific knowledge and how to obtain it is part of the ColoradoProspector club and websites main goals. This is also the reason I am posting in this thread as the site owner.
THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT FIELD INFO!! KNOW WHERE YOU ARE AND ESPECIALLY WHERE YOU SHOULDN'T BE WHEN PROSPECTING.
Unfortunately, as it seems in this situation, the field sampling was done on someones exsisting claims even though I would suspect those claims are well marked and recorded as federal requirements indicate.
Do not find yourself in this situation. Find out for sure prior to your sampling that it is in fact open to prospect there.

Again thank you Johnny for a bit more explination here and we are VERY PROUD to have your participation within the ColoradoProspector club and website.

CP

[amethystguy]

Since I deal with a lot of mine owners here in the South-east I have seen first ahnd how tresspassing can hurt or hinder your mining and prospecting. I am sorry to hear about that Mr. Tonko. Out there you guys have so much land that it would be hard to differenciate between someone's claim and public land. You really have to know where you are at so as not to step on anyone's toes. Is there a map you can get which shows where the claims are? Here in GA and most places have fences and or NO TRESSPASSING signs around property but that still doesn't stop all tresspassers. When my friend used to work JXR amethyst mine he would cover as much of the area he was working in with dirt and the trackhoe but he couldn't cover it all. He would tell me stories of chasing off people who would sneak in all the time trying to dig and steal from him. It was easy for somebody to sneak on the property and dig and they just might have pulled out a 5000 dollar crystal or a 10,000 dollar cluster. I guess it doesn't matter where you live because there is always somebody who will break the rules. Hell, there have been claimjumpers since gold was first discovered. Usually if you find someone on your property like that you have to give them a warning as it could be an honest mistake but that second time ole Mr. sheriff needs to come on out and he will straighten things out.

[ASTROBLEME]

[quote name='amethystguy' date='Nov 30 2008, 01:41 PM' post='15515']
Since I deal with a lot of mine owners here in the South-east I have seen first ahnd how tresspassing can hurt or hinder your mining and prospecting. I am sorry to hear about that Mr. Tonko. Out there you guys have so much land that it would be hard to differenciate between someone's claim and public land. You really have to know where you are at so as not to step on anyone's toes. Is there a map you can get which shows where the claims are?

Dear amethystguy:

The ColoradoProspector club and website is far and away the best I've seen for educating people about where to prospect. Although this information has been posted elsewhere on the forum by several other knowledgeable folks, it might help for a refresher at this point.

Colorado mining claims on public lands must be filed in a timely manner with the county clerk and recorder and also with the State BLM office. The claim filing documents are required by law to have a clear legal description along with a scaled map. There really isn't an excuse for not using these public records to prevent a mineral trespass. However, it has also been my experience that some claim jumpers will acquire copies of the claim documents in order to go to the claim and steal whatever they can.

While having law enforcement take care of the criminal aspect in blatant cases, it is also possible for the claim owner to take a civil action against the offending party as well. A civil lawsuit allows for recovery of specimens stolen, attorney fees and court costs. It can be a very expensive mistake for someone depending on the circumstances.

This link will take you to a government website that has the claim boundaries and it is very quick and easy to check on the status of public lands here;

http://www.geocommunicator.gov/GeoComm/lan...home/index.shtm

Give the site a try when you get the chance and look through this forum's older postings for additional information. It is my strong opinion that someone who can post claim jumping photos to the www could easily learn to use resources like GeoComm and CP to avoid trouble.

Hopefully this will be of help to someone.

Sincerely,

Johnny

[Bennie]

Mr Tonko I Do Apoligize For the Picture Incident with one of my specimens and a Document that was an accident for the rest of this i have nothing to apologize for

That Wasnt one of Your Claims , Dont Act Like It Was . Thats Simply Despicable To Say.

. I Have No Further Interest In Any Of Those Lakes as Im Telling You Ritenow Thats Not a Diamondifferious Occurance , Havent Been Back Since I Found That Out , Im Not even Interested In Finding a new one in that area or nearby trend

I Told You On The Phone Them pictures Were Shot At The Unclaimable Campside lakes .

Also Notice the Trail Next To This Public Lake , This Is "Lost Lake" and I shot a number of pictures at this Lake and , We Even Dug a lil bit , this Lake Is 15 Feet From A Campsite and this half of the section is withdrawln from mining , LOOK CLOSLEY AT PICTURES Jeez It Should Look Familliar Its The Only One Of The Lakes With Structure and Walls on the side of it

+ I Can Tell From Our Phone Conversation That Your Just Trying To Get Information From Me , And Coincidentally Trying To Sell Me claims That He Pilfed From Diamonex behind their back

Claimjumpings some pretty harsh accusations and now that I clearly Explained which lake it is and ITS VISIBLE which lake is in the Pictures

I Think You Owe Me an Apology Mr Tonko
Yes Prospectors Know Where we are at all Times and We dont get lost when researching this area i even purchased Location certificates to be certain I didnt claim jump :)

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[ASTROBLEME]

Mr Tonko I Do Apoligize For the Picture Incident with one of my specimens and a Document that was an accident for the rest of this i have nothing to apologize for

That Wasnt one of Your Claims , Dont Act Like It Was . Thats Simply Despicable To Say.

. I Have No Further Interest In Any Of Those Lakes as Im Telling You Ritenow Thats Not a Diamondifferious Occurance , Havent Been Back Since I Found That Out , Im Not even Interested In Finding a new one in that area

I Told You On The Phone Them pictures Were Shot At The Unclaimable Campside lakes .

Also Notice the Trail Next To This Public Lake , This Is "Lost Lake" and I shot a number of pictures at this Lake and , We Even Dug a lil bit , this Lake Is 15 Feet From A Campsite and this half of the section is withdrawln from mining , LOOK CLOSLEY AT PICTURES Jeez It Should Look Familliar Its The Only One Of The Lakes With Structure and Walls on the side of it

+ I Can Tell From Our Phone Conversation That Your Just Trying To Get Information From Me aside from you sell me claims

Claimjumpings some pretty harsh accusations and now that I clearly Expolained which lake it is and ITS Visible which lake is in the Picture , I Think You Owe Me an Apology

Dear Bennie Ulibarri:

I did look closely at the pictures and that is why you are in trouble.

Lost Lake and much of the vicinity is held under lode and placer claims that my family and company have controlled for many years. Since you already had copies of my claims when I called you, certainly you should have known the active status of the Lost Lake lode (CMC252654) and South Lost Lakes placer (CMC252645) that you and your accomplice worked on. You shot the photos the afternoon of August 29, 2008 and subsequently posted them on flickr.com on September 1st. You are digging within the waterline and even in the water. I noted that when I checked the Lost Lake claims in early September, my corner posts were intact. I don't see where I owe you an apology, sir!

Your admission "We Even Dug a lil bit" is what can be described as prima facia evidence. You state there aren't any diamonds there...on what basis? Is your opinion based on the sampling that was collected illegally? Are you trying to diminish the value of my holdings? It makes no sense for you to go through so much trouble if you were just making an "honest" mistake. I see no need to discuss your situation publicly from this point.

This incident should serve as a warning to anyone that might be considering "claim jumping".

Sincerely,

Johnny F. Tonko
President
Tonko Mining Company, Inc.

[Bennie]

its like speaking to a brick wall
so You have a claim where its closed to mining , a reconvieghed and withdrawln parcel ,
Bieng a bottom feeder you wouldnt understand , as us prospectors know where we are and we dont get lost , and we research before we even go anywhere , not even god himself could put a claim there as its withdrawln from mining and wait i have purchased every location certificate in the area and there is no claim there . even though you may not be familliar with this kind of stuff some one you know evidentally does understand and I bet you they would be smart enough not to speak with their foot in their mouth

also the picture of pyropes is Hausels , and your picture of diamond is a chlorite psudomorph and are common in the area


also Id apreciate it if you would stop Contacting Myself, trigonmining , TS inc -as none of us are interested as we have our own sites and projects and we know what weyre doing , why would we claim jump we have far more promising prospects we are working on ritenow

this is not for claimjumpers eyes but Proof Positive Tonko's Intentionally attempting to making me look like a fool .

"Its Not Polite To Speak With Your Foot In Your Mouth" Bennie Ulibarri 2008

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[amethystguy]

WOW ! I am to new here to really get the jist of things yet, but I will be reading as this saga unfolds.

[ASTROBLEME]

Hello Everyone:

Here's what Bennie Ulibarri stated August 5 in post #12 on this thread;

"Whell guys, this is a kimberlite, even though I stumbled on these by accident , Dan Hausel told me that he discovered these last year for Diamonex when he was chief of exploration. he even said theres 5 lakes in a trend all of which are kimberlites. Im going to try to give Diamonex the shaft"

The map he just posted appears to be a copy of DiamonEx USA lode claims. What? Is he digging a shaft on these claims too?

Truth is stranger than fiction...

Sincerely,

ASTROBLEME

[Bennie]

Exactly !!! ,that was before i bought the location papers for this area,

Hense I Didnt Know If Any Of It Was Open , I Stumbled upon it . , I Wasnt Even Sure It Was A Kimberlite,

My Mistake For Talking Freely Its Only Freedom Of Speech and it is true my statements are infact correct and freedom of speech is my right to talk about wherever so ha

Im not even Interested Atall at anything That Botttom Feeders and Rumor Spreaders Have To Say; Going Through Personal Photo Albums Of Mine Trying To Benefit and Or Steal My Rainbow, Good Thing You Dont Know Where My Claims are ,your the claim jumper

Once I got certificates for the area as there was many claims over this area , I was curious but I Know That Kimberlite Inst Even a Diamondifferious Trend.
Even Diamonex Said They Havent Discovered Anything But Granite

You Tryd Selling Me Leases To "Happy Jack" and a few others Claims you Pilfed Before Diamonex had the paperwork done , Infact These are some of the same sites that they Payed An Exploration Expert To Find,,,, and you wonder why your having problems with Diamonex , Shoot Your To Blame Why Hausel Got Jipped Of 100,000 Shares of Diamonex Stock , because your a taker not a finder and frankly tonko makes me sick

Your Ridiculus and a Legal Claim Jumper that was attempting To Make Me Look Stupid On My Own Post , And It Backfired as By Your Actions You Have Proven that you Have Infact Legally Clalimed open but paid for ground so to speak

Lets Drop THIS ,,, I Have , Its getting too mucky , Ive said enough , all fact

I Know All About This Thing Called Diamonds And I Know Who From Who , and Who Is Who . I know all about you

Freedom of speech

[ASTROBLEME]

Exactly !!! ,that was before i bought the location papers for this area,

Hense I Didnt Know If Any Of It Was Open , I Stumbled upon it . My Mistake For Talking Freely , I Wasnt Even Sure It Was A Kimberlite, Im not even Interested Atall at anything you Botttom Feeders Have To Say; Going Through Personal Photo Albums Of Mine Trying To Benefit and Or Steal My Rainbow, Good Thing You Dont Know Where My Claims are ,your the claim jumper

Once I got certificates for the area as there was many claims over this area , I was curious but I Know That Kimberlite Inst Even a Diamondifferious Trend.
Even Diamonex Said They Havent Discovered Anything But Granite

You Tryd Selling Me Leases To "Happy Jack" and a few others Claims you Pilfed Before Diamonex had the paperwork done ,,,, and you wonder why your having problems with Diamonex ,

Your Ridiculus and a Legal Claim Jumper that was attempting To Make Me Look Stupid On My Own Post , And It Backfired

Lets Drop THIS ,,, I Have

Im Moving On And Been Out Of That Area For Some Time Now, I should Have Posted Here More Frequently I Would Of Explained all this months ago . Any Post From Now On Will Be Double Checked Due To Spies That Wanna Steal My Rainbow

Dear Bennie Ulibarri:

Let’s make sure I understand you correctly.

First, you jump my claims.

Second, you slander me.

Third, you want to drop it.

Now, you are worried about spies stealing rainbows.

Perhaps I've overestimated you, so, I'll offer this advice;

When you get to the end of the rainbow, try to catch the leprechauns. They will show you the way to treasure!

ASTROBLEME

[Bennie]

Whell Thank You mr tonko , for Falsely Making Statements About Me To My Friends I Really Do Apreciate it , Ive Only Known Everyone For Over a Year Thank You And Thank You For Invading My Privacy Online By Going Through My Flickr Account Thats Totally What a Doer Would Do,

most statements were left open and really were left unfinished To Be Honest , It Was To Premature for me to make statements in the forums about possible locations as I was still not up to speed in this area , I Took a few Pics And Showed em to Hausel and he said YES he found em for diamonex and later turned out to be all claimed up with the exception of recreation areas that were in my opinion Were the same thing as the other Lakes we did follow up to identify what quality trend weyre dealing with so we if interested would find another ....... I Posted the first post about lakes as soon as i seen em before i talked to hausel and before i went to the blm to see whats open , A Claim Jumper Im Not , It Was unclear so no sampling was done it was don however where legal for one to "rock hound" on public federal land its a "Casual Use" Rule and seeing how there wasnt a claim it was all gravy , I told tonko this over the phone

I Have Been Posting Alot About My Activities While I Have Been Activley Involved In The Exploration Aspect Of a Number Of commodities

We Dont Have to Middleman Or Pitch Our Sites As We Find Our Own And The Sites Integrety Speaks For Itself ,

YES!!! I'll Be On The Other Side Of The Rainbow , Thats Where I'll Be , I Wont Be Near Your Claimage..... We HAve Targets Here, Few States West ,And Even on The East Coast .
We Are In Agreement YES!!!

Im Still Very busy with a Few Gold Deposits Ive Personally Discovered In Larimer County Colorado as Whell As A Number Of Valuable Commodities , Shoot Im All Licensed and Papered I Can Buy Rougth Diamonds Direct From Mines If I Desired , I Have Been Blessed and I Keep Goin

When I Stumbled into The Area I wasnt sure what was legal or not , I did research and follow up in a few areas and that point we still never claim jumped. and that you led others to believe i was jumping a subpar deposit is perposterious , Ive read all about Chicken Park which is conected to Lost lakes and have read From The Real Discoverer H G Coopersmith whom said these werent solid Exploration targets . Which To Me Coopersmith Is "The Man" He Worked With More Kimberlites Than anyone , and I Believe His words To Have Merit. Coopersmith was There in 1978 and I Had Some Quotes From Coopersmith Himself I Posted here a post or two back ,He said a month ago

So ,You Do You , I'll Do Me - I Never Meant Anyone No Disrespect Or Harm Until Someone Started Throwin Dirt First ,

I Refuse To Share Anything Diamond Related Because , We Wont Cross Paths Astrobleme
Do Not Contact Me , I Wont Contact You
I Will Not Post To You - Do Not Post To Me @ All !!!!!!
I'll Thank You To Stay Out My Personal Affairs tonko

I Apologize to all Club Members , I Apoligize To The D's

Tonko Had My Phone Number And We Spoken One Time On Good Terms,
I Explained What I Did In The Area And Why and Where ,How I Had Pictures Of a Few Of These Lakes and It Was Fine , He new I wasnt Interested in this area and we were cool , , Tonko contacted me through a few other channels and offered me a lease for some of his other claims in "red feather lakes" and in "happy jack" areas, Coincidentally ALL areas along with lost lakes and creedmore areas all these were places where Dan Hausel located for Diamonex , Coincidentally where tonko has a bunch of claims , coincidentally subleasing to diamonex in a few places ,coincidentally discovering some the same spots my man coopersmith discovered in 1978 , a Friend of mine by the name of Dan Hausel said Diamonex has yet to give him his 100,000 shares of stock for locating unclaimed drill targets , Dan Did Work , I read a few articles in the ICMJ's talking about what he did for diamonex and its Very Impressive to say the least.

But In The Spirit Of Diamond Exploration ,I Prepared a Video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjUIcJHbGcA

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[russau]

i enjoyed your video Bennie on this rainy/snowy morning!

[CP]

As the owners/founders of this site and moderators of this forum it's very important to us that information here is as accurate as possible, credited to the right author, posted in honesty and with integrity as stated in the forum rules everyone who registers agrees to during registration.
After several days composing this through much thought I feel compelled to post the following.

Although much of this threads earlier posts by Bennie have great info (hopefully credited properly if quoted from others), this doesn't change the facts that he's self admited to claim jumping both in this thread and to myself and others in person via the chat room on repeated occosians, according to him, in this state and Wyoming. (both federal and state lands) Even though myself and several others repeatedly offered information to learn how not too. We all also clearly stated to him repeatedly in chat that claim jumping is not acceptable and is punishable by law. Apparently this was not important enough info to his explorations or simply disregarded. All information offered for free even though he was not ever a club member!
No matter at this point.
I was expecting a wholesome oops I'm sorry, just learning or something along those lines from Bennie in this thread and I've been completely astonished/disappointed at his responses since.

From what I personally remember in the last year from Bennies posts and chat discussions.........He volunteered for a mapping project prior, then in the last year started prospecting (his first year), and since, he's learned how to not only become an expert diamond prospector, but he also recently started a website to hire himself out as a mining exploration consultant for the "big dawgs" as Bennie put it.

On his exploration consultation site (TrigonMining) in the "Projects and Commodities" section, he uses (for several months now) a pic of some spiffy aqua's from Colorado with the caption of "Located from a potential new mine, Southwest Colorado", still on site as of today.


and yet he posted the same pic here in the CP forums saying "Earlier this year I Visited My Friends 50 million dollar Pegmatite Mine , I wont Talk about it too much about it but heres some of the neat stuff we uncovered one summer day."
"Posted Dec 1 2008, 08:50 AM "


HMMMMMM fishy. Wonder which it is.....a new deposit under exploration (handy sales pitch for consultation?) or is it in fact a claim? Again doesn't really matter, what does matter is that misleading or misinformation such as these situations demonstrate are very much frowned upon in the mining world.

As many older members of the CP online community know full well..........WE WILL NOT PUT UP WITH DISHONEST BUSINESS ATTEMPTS THROUGH THIS SITE!! As we feel Bennie is attempting to do on the internet via this site/thread.

We do not often lock or moderate like this but, this thread will now be locked off to further replies, everyone may still read it anytime. We have and can start more threads with postive flows of information.
A friendly reminder to Bennie, as well as everyone else, the internet is a very public media including this forum, flicker, your site, or chat rooms.

Thanks to everyone for the great info in this thread and lets all remember to keep things respectful from here on out.

Respectfully,
CP