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CP
Attention all US citizens!!!!!!

You are invited to attend a public meeting in Colorado Springs to hear about the "new forest plan" for Pike and San Isabel national forests!

Meeting time and place.........
March 3rd, 2007, 5:30 pm - 9:00 pm,
Double Tree Hotel-World Arena, 1775 E. Cheyenne Mountain Blvd.
Colorado Springs, Colorado.


Pike and San Isabel forests covers much of the ground favorited by many clubs in and out of Colorado.......like the gpaa areas, gpoc areas, etc.........
You want to fight for your rights?

Now is your chance! STAND UP! GET THERE! BE A CITIZEN!
I attended the Fairplay meeting a few days ago.

The main reason to attend this public meeting?

By attending and signing my name as a citizen asserts my "RIGHT" to protest the outcome of the coming actions if I so choose.
If you don't attend.......you just gave up "YOUR RIGHT"! ohmy.gif huh.gif
You will find out who attended later anyway........just hope they don't give up more of your rights for you! huh.gif

Get there.......be involved.........or you will just deal with the results in the end without recourse!

CP
russau
Ohboy, here it comes! its named differently in different states but its all the same. us lossing areas to go!
Coalbunny
I think there's a misunderstanding here. It's not a plan- yet. It's a public "brain picking" so the USFS can find a way to better work with the public in the next plan. Last I heard they were in the starting stages.
CP
Hi CB,

Nope no misunderstanding.......you got it right. This is the planning stages of the new "plan" in which you as a citizens have the right to participate in.

The point I was trying to make here is.......your participation in this stage of planning all they way through to the official "public commenting period" will assure your right to appeal anything disagreeable in the final outcome.
If you haven't particiapted (signed your name somewhere) in the planning and or public comment period then you do not have the right to appeal!
Something to think about for all.

Sending money to someone else to do it for you is one way to help but...........
THE VERY BEST WAY TO HELP IS TO KNOW YOUR RIGHTS, THE LAWS, AND YES ESPECIALLY THE REGULATIONS THAT FEDERAL EMPLOYEES ARE REQUIRED TO FOLLOW BY LAW!

Now all that being said.....for those of you out of state or unable to make the meeting in Colorado Springs.....you may still participate from your location by visiting the Park Ranger District's website and submit your comments now for new planning ideas and then again for the official "public comment period" to be announced at a later date.
Yes you too will then have the right to appeal anything disagreeable in the final outcome.

Your participation is not required, but is guaranteed by law.... as your right!
EXERCISE THAT RIGHT......OFTEN! biggrin.gif
National lands are yours and mine as citizens......so lets act like they are OUR LANDS!
Get involved and help watch out for all our rights! cool.gif

CP
Coalbunny
Sad part is, the eco-terrorists have the resoruces to go to every one of those meetings. You and I don't. So they go to them, every one of them, and they assist in making plans that leave out us.

I met this one couple at the last meeting, and you want to talk about metal cases? The guy is from Denver, and wants to use deadly force to keep people from accessing the USFS land behind his property. He doesn't care about there being a county road back there, he just doesn't want them there!

The woman, got upset that a local rancher "messed up" the snow on a county road going to one of his fields. She's a cross country skier and doesn't want the aesthetics of a fresh snow destroyed.

Those were my table. And people wonder why I strongly fight city people being allowed to leave the mental institutions....err I mean cities!
plp.001
The Enviros normall have someone draw up a set of comments on these plans and then hundreds send in the same comments, fortunately for us they are all counted as one comment when they are duplicated.

I tis imperative to get out different comments from as many people as possible and one mor thing, if they are not legal comments there is no standing to sue. one way is to get a list of legal comments for a guide so that otheres can use them and their own to submit but different from one another.

Jerry
russau
AHMEN!
CP
Excellent point.......different letters with different (backable) evidence is imparitive!
I received a notice yesterday via email from the FS about the meetings/plan revisions for Pike & San Isabel NF and they are now on hold.
FS plan ruling letter-PDF

AWESOME!
CITIZENS GOT INVOLVED AND YES......IT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE!

So why the big halt?
The FS being a federal entity must (by law) act consistently across the nation.
This FS plan revision was just kicking off though......what's up?

Well, the notices were sent out to all those who like I stated above.....participated, by attending meetings locally and or by sending your input in.
I attended the meeting in Alma and since the whole thing has been halted they sent us a notice.

The reason behind the halt actually has nothing to do with this forest.....other than it's federal NF lands!
Pay attention.....You should be noticing something about now. Why the halt then if not this NF?

Recently there was a decision reached in the 9th circut court (California-US courts) concerning the western slope of Colorado state.
The following is what I got on this decision via email.



QUOTE
SANDY: The following article kind of goes with the article that I sent to you in January, It seems like we get a little to much interference from the Government and especially the court system, We had a pretty good working relationship with the Forest Service, as there was quite a few different groups of us that were having meetings  and trying to work out solutions to the various issues involved.  The Forest Service has been real good about keeping everyone informed as to what is going on as to meetings, and policy changes.  I just hope we can get things going again , before everyone  looses tract of where we were.
Tim Austin  Colorado public lands advisor

News Release

USDA Forest Service                                     

Grand Mesa, Uncompahgre and Gunnison National Forests

          2250 Highway 50

Delta, CO  81416-2485



CONTACT:  Lee Ann Loupe, Public Affairs Specialist, 970-263-5829 or 970-596-0246 



FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

GMUG Proposed Fforest Plan Suspended



DELTA, Colorado., May 7, 2007 ­ Public comment on the Grand Mesa, Uncompahgre and Gunnison National Forest (GMUG) proposed Forest Plan is suspended indefinitely.  The GMUG proposed Forest Plan was developed under the 2005 Planning Rule and was released for public review on March 16, 2007.  On March 30, Judge Phyllis J. Hamilton of the Northern District of California U.S. District Court ruled that the Forest Serviceıs adoption of new planning regulations (2005 Planning Rule) violated the Administrative Procedure Act (APA), National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA), and Endangered Species Act (ESA).  Until the Agency complies with the courtıs order, the Court has enjoined the Forest Service from implementing and utilizing the 2005 Planning Rule.



GMUG Forest Supervisor Charlie Richmond said, ³We donıt know for sure where we will head with Forest Plan revision in response to the injunction; however, we are evaluating our options for when and how to proceed.²  He went on to note, ³whatever approach, we decide to use, the public collaboration and recommendations we have received to date will be integral in our continuing planning activities. Our stakeholders have helped us develop a vision for the Forest for the next 15-20 years, and we need to prepare effective plans to guide and support that vision.²



Some of the options under consideration include: ³re-initiating² forest plan revision under the 1982 planning regulations, continuing management under the 1983 Forest Plan and addressing any necessary changes through amendment, waiting for the Agency to make the necessary changes to the 2005 Planning Rule to comply with the Court, and continuing with National Forest Management Act (NFMA) planning activities that are independent of the 2005 Planning Rule (e.g. monitoring, public involvement, scientific analysis, etc).



The work that went into developing the proposed Forest Plan, (e.g. the Comprehensive Evaluation Report (CER) and Comprehensive Assessment) provides information about current conditions, trends, and key findings for the social, economic and ecological components of the Forest. Planning Staff Officer Carmine Lakewood stated, ³Regardless of which option(S) we choose, these planning documents, and all the work by our stakeholders, provide valuable information that will be useful in future strategic planning activities, as well as project-level planning efforts.²

Additional information on the Courtıs ruling and Forest Service activities please visit the GMUG National Forest web-site:  www.fs.fed.us/r2/gmug.


So there ya' have it, FS halts ALL PLAN REVISIONS because citizens stood up!
Proof that participation does count and yes, the FS needs to be consistent from one NF to the next!!!
Get involved.......TODAY!
Learn and then teach!

CP
GoldDredger9
QUOTE (plp.001 @ Mar 6 2007, 10:37 PM)
The Enviros normall have someone draw up a set of comments on these plans and then hundreds send in the same comments, fortunately for us they are all counted as one comment when they are  duplicated.

I tis imperative to get out different comments from as many people as possible and one mor thing, if they are not legal comments there is no standing to sue. one way is to get a list of legal comments for a guide so that otheres can use them and their own to submit but different from one another.

Jerry

You are right Jerry.

How about compiling a bunch of comments that we could use.

AL
Golddredger9
russau
Jerry does have sample comments on the PLP site.
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