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post Dec 25 2012, 08:52 AM
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I've moved your post over to this thread Russ. Even though this same group told the Colorado Prospector club to take a flying leap off a tall cliff in 2005 whilst we were trying to help the Oregon prospectors, we still let their posts fly here as an example. Lately I see they are still following the leadership found here at the Colorado Prospector website and trying to make it appear that they are "leading prospectors" to the right information?!
Hmmm, odd since that is what this very forum was started for in 2003, for prospectors to gain a new view and find real information about the truth in prospecting/mining laws and agency's delegated authorities as writtien. Here you can form your own opinion and discuss the mining law.......AS IT'S ALWAYS BEEN SINCE 2003!

Sure hope the Colorado Prospector website link gets posted as many times at that site as this one gets REPEATEDLY POSTED HERE, I suspect it doesn't .....but we'll just keep piling them up in this thread.....it's so obvious that these attempts are more copy moves from a lead/idea they've gotten from here over the years and still want to take the traffic from us to make their "concept" appear new or that they've been the leader on this front of mining law and education to the people.
Doesn't it seem odd to others (especially those who've been here for years) that this group and their spokesperson never interacts with this forum community.........so why do they find it so important to post thier website here so often?!
If in fact this group from Oregon wished to work with everyone then I'd just have to think they'd be more willing to interact with the sites they feel it important to pass messages along to/through!

This has not been the case since late 2010 and this new group began posting/spamming other websites. 3 years later ........ Man this is gettin' old!


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post Dec 25 2012, 06:48 PM
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CP “ Even though this same group told the Colorado Prospector club to take a flying leap off a tall cliff in 2005 whilst we were trying to help the Oregon prospectors”


Which "same group" are you talking about? My contributions to this site have been independent of any group. That said, I am local to two mining entities which to my knowledge and since my participation didn't even know about Colorado Prospectors, let alone tell any one to take a flying leap. In fact, when I started to participate locally the association from which the mining district is born was down to 5 participants. Our participation locally was only because of John urging me to study the mining law to confirm unlawful imposition by agencies against miners. So we're almost outsiders to any group in the regard of your comment.
Early on it was not despite CP but because of the content found on CP I decided to allow my research, findings and writings posted on this site by John under the mineral estate grantee name; A status, more than a name, wholly unknown prior to my findings, that was not discussed or applied. I felt CP readers could benefit because of the good foundation set in the forum which I didn't find elsewhere. I felt comfortable to post here with your encouragement, as well. I was excited to see people with at least an idea of what they were dealing with. So to say I or John told you to jump off a cliff is completely incorrect. Though, I can't speak to something outside of my awareness that may have occurred.


CP “Lately I see they are still following the leadership found here at the Colorado Prospector website and trying to make it appear that they are "leading prospectors" to the right information?!”


Not sure where you get your information. And partly because you haven't identified the "same group" you attack us through. Where referring to us, there is no leadership. We post independent of any association, but in support of apparently valid information. There is a lot that can be said about two entities I associate with, if those are the target of your ire, and how much they have been subverted as they try to bring the mining law back to prominence, that any "leadership", of which we are not apart, is too busy working to fix the harm caused than to come to the CP site professing to be "leading prospectors". The two entities I associate with have two separate purposes. One, SWOMA, is Outreach and Education. And the other, Jefferson Mining District, JMD, is, essentially, a vessel for miners to use to advance the Cause of mineral estate grantees and their livelihood. These are not impositions of leadership or only for prospectors. In fact, I have been a principle contributor to the formation of Jefferson Mining District to advance the congressional mandate of Coordination. I don't know of anyone in those mining entities that have ever referred to CP as a source of authority or knowledge base or hiding the same. Most miners I know simply do not know of the existence of CP; A lot don't even have computers. And without taking away from what I saw in the information the CP site is offering, it has not formed the basis of any action taken by the mining entities I am associated with or helped to create. That said, and to evidence how little CP was known to anyone in those entities, John made a special effort to get the, then webmaster, to provide a link to Colorado Prospectors [link]. And this link survives despite the effort to destroy the website and JMD. This Link was suggested, and ours is only a suggestion not a decision to make about the content provided by the JMD site, because John and I felt that CP was a solid place for miners to get information and because the CP forum was receptive to the law that was being attacked in most other forums. If you notice Jefferson Mining District is strictly an information resource. There is no forum. And therefore there is no communication. In fact, it is a minimal place of interaction though a place for the District to post mining information. The CP link on the JMD website was there because we felt CP was a good site to send miners to supplement the content being created and offered on the JMD site. To my knowledge, nothing I contribute to either the now defunct SWOMA or current JMD site posted originated from CP. None of my research was even inspired by CP. What inspired me was that CP existed to help the miners understand what it is they have and better than any other forum at the time. And this notion that it is a good idea to spread information to other miners is why John posts to the CP forum. If you do not like that, then I wonder who it is actually becoming territorial about information and where ti comes from. CP certainly did not form the basis for my research or any of the things I've produced or use when helping miners in their various impositions of agency or judiciary that we should suffer such an attack or when posting new information from independent sources at the CP forum. I also don't understand how that is leading prospectors anywhere.


CP "Hmmm, odd since that is what this very forum was started for in 2003, for prospectors to gain a new view and find real information about the truth in prospecting/mining laws and agency's delegated authorities as writtien. Here you can form your own opinion and discuss the mining law.......AS IT'S ALWAYS BEEN SINCE 2003!”


I don't think we have ever posted anything to this forum which would stifle the creation of any opinion. As I have said, it is because we felt welcome that we continue to post at all. I'm certain that John didn't figure it would rub anyone the wrong way to post information which could be used to guide ones opinion. Right now there aren't many sources to link in any regard. And I'm curious how you think you could have my Executive Summary regarding jurisdiction responding the local sheriff’s request for such, posted on CP since 2003 when I just created it a couple years ago without any help from CP.


CP “Sure hope the Colorado Prospector website link gets posted as many times at that site as this one gets REPEATEDLY POSTED HERE, I suspect it doesn't .....but we'll just keep piling them up in this thread.....it's so obvious that these attempts are more copy moves from a lead/idea they've gotten from here over the years and still want to take the traffic from us to make their "concept" appear new or that they've been the leader on this front of mining law and education to the people.”


Your site is one of the small handful that is linked to (and has been almost from the creation of the SWOMA/Jefferson site) on its links page: http://www.jeffersonminingdistrict.com/links.html
And maybe because you may have never visited the site, you did not see there is no way to reference CP more than has been done. The JMD site is not a forum. And I believe, where CP had pertinent information John would have linked CP through other forum posts elsewhere.


CP “Doesn't it seem odd to others (especially those who've been here for years) that this group and their spokesperson never interacts with this forum community.........so why do they find it so important to post thier website here so often?!
If in fact this group from Oregon wished to work with everyone then I'd just have to think they'd be more willing to interact with the sites they feel it important to pass messages along to/through!

This has not been the case since late 2010 and this new group began posting/spamming other websites. 3 years later ........ Man this is gettin' old!”


What's getting old CP is that you assume much that isn't. You mention a group without identifying it. You have created spokesperson that doesn't exist. The fact is, if you did mean Jefferson Mining District, "their website" happens to be a repository of mining information. The basis of the district was established from research I have done wholly independent of CP, and anyone or thing else for that matter. We do not own that website. We do not have any direct control on the content of that website. We communicate at CP to pass along the information. Where else would we do that? "This group" is who? I've just explained there are two different entities John and I are associated with that have different purposes. Have you misidentified these mining entities for another?
Have John and I told you to jump off of a cliff?
As to interacting, I have stopped interacting with all forums, in large part. Even after invitation. I do not have the time any longer. If I create some writing that John feels is important he posts that. But I have stopped interacting with the forums because time is not spent as well there than other places. A lot of the information that needs to be said is already posted. And where I have been vilified on some forums or have to contend with people that just won't read and think or maybe are just trolls and plants, I have more important matters to attend to than arguing with people. We have miners that are in serious trouble, beyond what the forums can hope to help. I have chosen to focus on these problems. And only where a technical clarity needs to be made to help miners understand better that will help them avoid a larger harm, I will decide to offer my observation. Otherwise, I have had to focus my time on judicial or agency matters. I'm sorry you need more interaction from me or John to validate our information or post from other sources. We provided the time we could interact, when we could. There just hasn't been the luxury to chat much recently. And it doesn't look like there will be a respite in the near future.
So I don't know where this leaves us. The mining law predates both of us for argument's sake. For my part, I've told John a long while back to stop posting to the forums completely. For my part, and John can decide differently, I have gotten tired of the whining and the lack of active participation in the trenches beyond the forums. But information must be passed on, and that is what John has been doing. With the real damage happening to miners in fact, I can't keep up with the forums to explain. We wish it were different. When the information is available for any one to find and figure out and I get grief, I have no energy to put to that. Especially when I'm using the very information to help miners, others condemn. There is just no time for chit chat, otherwise. I'm glad to hear that some people still do have time, but that is not my reality.
The fact of it is, despite your assumptions, or that we are surprised at your attitude, we held out in our mind that at least there would be two quality sources of information that would not convolute the mining law subject matter, the CP site and JMD. The only instruction from the JMD Assembly to the webmaster was to post as much mining law and related information as possible. The CP site was never referred to as a model. That you see some similarity is coincidence without a meaning, at best. I'd like to think any similarity is consistency with the mining law. No matter who posts information, if it is sourced from the law it will be expressed the same. I only write this much today because we valued your acceptance and the "relationship" of a sort built out of that acceptance of the information John was posting that I, in part, have created independent of any group, to further the mining law being a grant where I was getting flack in most all other places. We didn't get that Flack from SWOMA or JMD either which is where we base our larger efforts to advance the cause of the mineral estate grantee. It is no slight to you or to CP. Not sure why you take it that way.

Oh, and Merry Christmas to you all.
Hal and John, Mineral Estate Grantees.


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Notice and Demand to Cease and Desist.
For the Public Record, as Preparatory to and Requisite of Remedies, and for other purposes.


To all members of the Oregon State Legislature:
Senator President Peter Courtney, on behalf of the members of the Oregon Senate, 900 Court St. NE, Salem, Oregon 97301.
Delivered Certified Mail # 7011 1570 0000 5796 5112, return receipt requested.

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Greetings:

Jefferson Mining District is a mining district having governmental power and authority and special expertise privy to the unique subject matter of the mineral estate and related matters, such as minerals, water, land, and ingress and egress acknowledged by Congress, 30 U.S.C. § 22 and U.S.C. § 28, through prevailing federal legislative enactment, 30 U.S.C. § 22 to 54.

Jefferson Mining District is the largest mining district in America, the jurisdiction of which currently serving appropriators of the mineral estate and other Land and water disposal grantees directly covering 4 states including, entirely, the state of Oregon. Jefferson Mining District authority, jurisdiction, and cognizance extends to any issue adversely affecting miners or mining law related grantees, including but not limited to timber or agriculture, and to any interference in these such as is being attempted in any of the current legislation, even in its proposal, adversely affecting the mineral estate or granted water rights, ingress and egress or the peaceful possession of the same. Being the Mining Law, potentially, affects every citizen, Jefferson Mining District serves and responds on behalf of untold millions of Americans now and into the future.

This Notice and Demand to CEASE AND DESIST limits in no way the extent to the scope of the subject matter covered or by the causes and harms which are more fully discussed and of public record. This Notice and Demand does not limit any summary and plenary remedies available to any one but serves as the beginning of the lawful process necessary by the acts and omission to act of the various principles or those accessory, in an effort to arrest the irreparable and immeasurable harm to people in their property committed by the State of Oregon and other third party interest.

Based on the following and more completely the entire public record created in Comment Testimony and evidence, incorporated herein by this reference, available through the State of Oregon Legislative website, the Assembly of Jefferson Mining District demands the State and others directly or in accomplice CEASE AND DESIST any and all action towards bringing the Bills, not limited to HB 2248, HB 2259, HB 2269, HB 3251, HB 3303, HB 3337, HB 5014, HJR 32, or SB 12, SB 115, SB 370, SB 401, SB 425, SB 838, SB 839, SJM6, and if it is still under consideration SB 217, and any others that may have slipped though undetected, or those just recently found after committee hearing such as SB 425, HB 3337, or HB 5014 appropriations for the DOGAMI, bills adversely affecting the public and people in their Property, rights, and remedies with regard to such subject matter as Minerals, water, private property, or ingress and egress, into enactment. These sorts of Bills may be identified, though not singularly so, by the earmarks referenced in the Comment of JMD for SB 839 or those others which will interfere for the extensive list of reasons summarized throughout the Comment Testimony notices of Jefferson Mining District. These Comments have proven the State has no lawful power to interfere with congressional granted minerals, or water, or ingress and egress and may not regulate or tax the same. These Comment Testimony Notices have further proven or explained that an amenity such as Fish, that “investment in natural resources”, including fish habitat, or the funding for such, or any number of other amenity does not rise to a police power exigence sufficient to destroy granted property rights or provide authority or jurisdiction to the State to regulate, put into reservation, to tax, to interpose services, or impose on the taxpayers generally though creative accounting principles of private entities offering economic “best practices” which essentially are double booking scheme and artifice to defraud the public or the people of Oregon. The Comment Testimony have shown the State and those aiding and abetting its member legislators, is fabricating authorities to lawlessly insinuate the existence of authority or jurisdiction to regulate, tax, or impose fees but not the substance of the same. The Attorney General of the State of Oregon, a Bar member, has seen fit to commit fraud in covering up the lack of authority, jurisdiction, or lawful power as evidenced in the Comment-driven special proceedings meetings with the agencies ordered by the committee members regarding HB 2251 and HB 2248. On the Senate side, for instance, a complicit legislative committee chaired by Senator Dingfelder chose in willful and wanton even callous disregard of the State's lawful duties, obligations, and law to ignore the same to press an agenda in favor of third party special interests inimical to people and harming their property which having been done under Color of Authority is a felony crime in Oregon and federal law. But the abandonment of lawful purpose and reason didn't stop there. The agenda-driven members of the committee completely ignored Testimony as to the existing science showing the proposed legislation and the costs of its funding were not needed, replacing their opinion of hypothetical and imagined harms for that of competent science and real world experience.

The government principles being also members of organizations the affiliation of which without censure ratifies the harm done by its members aiding and abetting their illicit activity, whether or not felonious, this notice is to bring you into the knowledge that your members to your liability need to be arrested or your culpability attaches for contributing to the organized syndicate working in concert to put into affect the various violative acts against the people of Oregon and the public in general through the legislation whether or not fully identified due to the Bum's Rush nature of the mass of legislation this Session, apparently part of a premeditated strategy to overwhelm any one who would be adversely affected. Jefferson Mining District reminds you that any scheme or artifice used to adversely harm any one in their property, in particular under the color of authority, is felony under federal and state laws. Being no legislator, whether of Republican Party, Democratic Party, or Bar Association membership, or those assisting the Legislature acting as the Office of state imputes to the holder, by oath, or by usurpation under color without, may, reference ORS 164.075, [1],"(b) Cause damage to property" [2] adversely affecting private property rights and under color of authority, (h) "related to official duties, or by failing or refusing to perform an official duty", such as the self-executing duty to safeguard "against the encroachment or aggrandizement of one branch at the expense of the other” Buckley v. Valeo, 424 U.S. 1, 122 (1976), or, be found, [3], (i) inflicting "any other harm that would not benefit the actor", we advise that you bring your performance or refusal to perform into respect of the law and the property you are inflicting harm. Additionally we do not think it unsupported to reasonably believe the failure of each Branch to check the other to maintain a republican form representative government raises these offenses to a constitutional crisis; a republican form government Congress is duty-bound to guarantee.

Culpability will be either as a principal in direct action contributing to the harm, or as an accessory aiding and abetting the various ongoing violations of law, whether constitutional, such as to the Supremacy Clause, civil, or criminal, by the subject matter causes such as grants, contracts, or law and of the relative duties, obligations, and responsibilities, or elsewise not protecting producer class activities or property.

Despite these violations, the lack of fair hearing or the blatant disregard of due process notwithstanding, these bills sailed through committee for fast track treatment and approval with no check or balance evident and no apparent will do to so; The reason causing the necessity for this Notice and Demand to CEASE AND DESIST to immediately begin the process of remedy, whether for constitutional, such as the Supremacy Clause, civil, criminal, or other harm, not limited to, resort to the federal courts for right violations under color of authority and criminal arrest under the “Private Attorney General” provision therein or by 18 USC Chapter 96, and Title 42 - RACKETEER INFLUENCED AND CORRUPT ORGANIZATIONS, R.I.C.O., or others such as for the cause of unlawful takings.

Additionally, late breaking to our awareness is HB 5014, an appropriations bill for the DOGAMI. Being the Attorney General could not show any authority or jurisdiction in the Department to do what it has been doing in regards to valuable locatable mineral deposits, water, or control of land without State of Oregon possession, neither by its promoting of the Green Religion of Sustainable Development, as explained the SB 839 Testimony notice of Jefferson Mining District, or of public record, as can be seen from the Department websites, any funds appropriated to or created to be used by any department would be a misappropriation of public funds and a violation of the Oregon constitution, such as Article I, “Section 5. No money to be appropriated for religion. No money shall be drawn from the Treasury for the benefit of any religeous [sic], or theological institution, nor shall any money be appropriated for the payment of any religeous [sic] services in either house of the Legislative Assembly.—”. That until such time as those offending parts are cleaved from the department no funds shall be appropriated to DOGAMI. This would extend to any provisions the effort of any department or agency of state government sign and promote the praises the Sustainable Development, by any term it may be identified.

Furthermore, DOGAMI fraudulently promoted no opposition, rightfully questioned by Representative Whitsett in Committee, to HB 2259, when nothing could be further from the truth. A substantial part of the mining industry, and independent miners we know of each having an independent consent to be given, do oppose and do not consent the any of the legislation affecting in any way their congressional granted property, rights, or remedies. The prejudicially chaired committee ignored the opposition and the law passing the measure as if no prevailing opposition or prohibitory or preemptive condition in law existed, the fraud and criminal commission of the Attorney General notwithstanding.

This Notice and Demand to CEASE AND DESIST is to provide you notice and one last opportunity to stop and reverse the harm you as a principle violator, or as imputed to you by your members, or you as an accessory entity or private party, are causing, whether or not under color of authority, or where dealing in the mineral estate and adversely affecting a property holder of the same. In other words, under the rigors of the Mining Law grants, where adversely affecting the possessor of the mineral estate the violator is treated as a mere proprietor, private liability attaches notwithstanding any costume of authority, or otherwise. This private liability provides the firm foundation for future remedy by individual members of the Assembly or property owners at large adversely affected by your direct or indirect actions or no action where this too causes divestment, infringement, or interference of any kind in the property, title or things appurtenant. More succinctly, what you are doing or allowing to be done makes you privately liable.

You are hereby put on further notice and reminded that you represent or aid the representation of the constituents in your district or statewide, as well as the people of Oregon as a whole or by extension through the federal Mining Law individually, and those foreign to the state of Oregon though owning private property in the state, and to protect the same, and not any current agenda of perceived consensus legislation originating from special interest and non-representative “stakeholders” or “public/private partnerships”, not limited to those, involved in the Oregon Consensus programs centered in the Portland based School of law, Hatfield school of law, or of these bills promoted by the Governor, or the Attorney General, or the Treasurer, and any and all related concerns and agenda based programs or projects, such as those embracing Sustainable Development. Contrary to the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State of Oregon which require at least protection and security in and the peaceful possession of property, these Bills harm land owners and producers and their right to protect the same upon hypothetical and unproven even baseless causes. These Bills attempt to evade constitutional takings provisions as well, and being inimical to good order, fiscal responsibility, the expense of raiding the public trust and treasury through fund deception, as evidenced in SB 839 or HB 5014, and public peace. Oregon law provides no immunity to any one acting under Color of Authority to use that authority to commit crimes. Federal law provides other and similar notice. The nature of the mineral estate and the state trustee obligations to, attaching, in part, pursuant to the Oregon Admission Acts, or the private appropriation therefrom, strips any entity or person of all immunity where adversely affecting that title, 30 U.S.C. § 53. It is and will be a direct fiduciary breach and violation of your oath of office, where one is applicable, and, whether or not one is applicable, a criminal act personally, under Oregon law, ORS 164.075, to proceed with or allow the passage of legislation adversely affecting the property owners and producers whom are purposely left out of the “stakeholder” classification included on through artifice and deceptive method as was evidenced by the HB 217 testimony of the farmers stating they were not actually involved nor actually gave consent to the consensus claimed by the “Stakeholder” third party beneficiaries without right or title to the property infringed. This capacity to infringe also extends also to the Oregon Water Resources Department, the State of Oregon Attorney General committing no lesser frauds and felony in the Proceedings of HB 2259 and the misappropriation of any funds to that department not shown to have any lawful authority over what the Attorney General or the Department in false reliance promotes or claims. These failures of lawful authority and jurisdiction appear to extend across the breadth of the State of Oregon and to every Department not showing title to the property infringed. By the various Duty, fiduciary obligations, and responsibilities owed whether of office or member, you are authorized to use any and all means at your disposal to stop these proposed/pending or enacted legislative actions from proceeding. The various proposed legislation or any having already passed without notice or full disclosure, are truly immeasurable as to the scope of their harm. Being many of those adversely affected by these Bills, and apparently without any due process input otherwise than the color of authority property plunder, Jefferson Mining District is further giving notice that any failure to stop them will result in serious, costly, legal and political ramifications.

Moreover, and because the voice for such is beginning to be heard from them, given the guidance expressed in Kansas v. Colorado, 1907, though advocating a peaceful resolution, Jefferson Mining District can not determine for any particular grantee or condemn miners or other property owners resorting to self-defense and property protecting force, as is their inherent and grant acknowledging right, where faced with the State's dishonor of its responsibilities, obligations, and duties, or disregard of long-since settled law on the subject matter. We should not have to remind any body what miners have historically done when left without a remedy where their property and livelihood are threatened. This never resolves to a win-win situation.

Trying to render the whole of the mining law into a cogent response to a facial and unlawful takings in the form of the proposed bills, hobbled by the inadequate time provided to respond, a deprivation of substantial due process on matters of vested property and government trust relationships and obligations, being prejudiced further by the various legislative time constraints and political maneuverings imposed obstructing sufficient notice and opportunity to adequately respond on the important and myriad subject matters involved, We present this compilation of precedent law and application due diligence which prior committees or Legislative Council were duty-bound to perform prior to advancing ill-advised legislations which we require be extinguished for being inconsistent with existing federal and state laws and to avoid future litigation for committing unlawful takings.

By this Notice and Demand to Cease and Desist you are of knowledge of the wrongs and wrongs continuing which you have a responsibility to arrest, whether as a part or organ of the State, or as organizations the affiliation of which without censure of the wrong acting members ratifies the harm done in aiding and abetting their illicit activity, whether or not felonious and imputing liability.

Jefferson Mining District, on behalf of the Assembly, and any other recipients of the damage of your wrongs, demands you CEASE AND DESIST immediately advancing the bills or cease and desist aiding and abetting the enactment of the same or where enacted avoidance or face sure accountability.


Ron Gibson.
Interim Chairman, Jefferson Mining District.
dritecrg@hotmail.com 541 621-5548.
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Plaintiffs:
Hal Anthony, Ron Gibson and Jefferson Mining District

Defendants:
Senator Alan Bates, Peter Courtney, Democratic Party of Oregon, Senator Jackie Dingfelder, Governor Kitzhaber, Tina Kotek, Oregon House of Representatives, Oregon Republic Party, Oregon Senate, Oregon State Bar Association, Attorney General Ellen F. Rosenblum and State of Oregon Office of the Legislative Counsel

Case Number: 1:2013cv01147

http://dockets.justia.com/docket/oregon/or...cv01147/112767/
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Goodluck and Godspeed with a favorable outcome!
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Favorable outcome to what?
I go to the link and it's a court docket that states the plaintiffs and defendants names.
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I'd like to know about the case or complaint (something, anything?) but I'm not signing up for "PACER" to extract this information.


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It's gone where no attorney dare take it...or dares go. Full disclosure coming soon.

Jefferson Mining District Meeting 9 / 20 / 2013
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Law of Possession of 1865
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Mining Law for the Prospector, Miner & Engineer - 1911 (357 pgs)
Mining Rights on the Public Domain - 1908 (600 pgs)
Land Laws of the Mining Districts - 1884 (67 pgs)
Digest of the Laws of Mines & Minerals (case law) - 1878 (473 pgs)
Ron Gibson's 2008 Letter to Senator Gordon Smith, the Act of 1866

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post Feb 11 2014, 01:21 PM
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2013 Oregon Legislative Activity of Jefferson Mining District
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Gentleman (I'm.assuming) this is looking a bit like a website pissing contest. Perhaps we can reserve any bashing to PM? Just the facts please. If we all support one another in knowledge of the laws, perhaps we can just focus on that instead of he said, she said. I'm diehard CP, but I'm willing to say "hold up!"! stop.gif
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What did you post there? Please "dumb" that up a bit. Too much legal mumbo jumbo, a summary would be fantastic!
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http://www.jeffersonminingdistrict.com/

The use/implementation will be discussed at this Friday's JMD meeting: http://www.jeffersonminingdistrict.com/meetings.html
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Earlier on this week, Jefferson Mining District ( http://www.jeffersonminingdistrict.com/ ) filed a 100+ page SB838 Injunction filing with the Article III court in Washington DC
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KMED/Interview with Law Professor about the illegality of Administrative Law
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