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Posted by: Mrs.CP Jan 19 2004, 10:36 AM
Independent miners are an endangered species! If we do not stand together now, we will fade away and our prudent mining claims will eventually become government operated fee-digging areas open to the general public.
Mining, agriculture and timbering built this nation. These industries are now being regulated right out of existence by various public land management agencies and private organizations focused on preserving wilderness areas.
When these agencies were created, it was their primary objective to protect the environment from degradation and pollution caused by industrial activity. We can all agree that there must be some regulatory provision to accomplish this goal, and that the wise management of natural resources is in the best interest of the entire public.
But whom do we call on for help when these agencies fail in their obligation to assist us in this responsibility? What can we do if an agency decides to prevent or prohibit our activities for arbitrary and capricious reasons when we know that we have the right to conduct our operations lawfully? What if an agency does not adhere to the regulations it has prescribed for the rest of us to follow? Who will help us?
If we stand alone, no one may ever even hear our cry for help. But if we stand together, we will not be ignored. It is the responsibility of our government to help us, but we must be loud enough to be heard. First, we must call on each other. We must make the time to become involved with those around us who also treasure their right to mine valid claims. We must share our experiences and our knowledge. We must voice our opinions and support each other on important issues that will set a precedent for everyone.
Through awareness, we can gain strength, and our voice will be louder. It is easy for an agency to ignore or misplace a single letter, or to mislead an uneducated person. But if we all write letters, they will not be ignored. If we help each other out, we will not be so naive and confused. Instead of having our questions and concerns trivialized by agency officials, we will begin to see our needs and goals being acknowledged and taken seriously.
It is not our goal to change the law. It is our goal to make sure that the agencies that administer regulatory authority follow their own directives and procedures and treat us fairly and in a manner that is consistent with the objectives of the Mining Laws and land management responsibilities. Together, we can achieve this goal.
Posted by: Redpaw Jan 19 2004, 11:50 AM
Very well said,
I have found that alot of different user groups think that all we do as miners is mine, they have this impression that we do not hunt, fish, drive off-road, camp, walk, hike, sunbathe, cliff dive, or most other Outdoor activities that they themselves are involved in.
For years I lived right on the Oregon Coast and regularly flew the high performance stunt kites used in tournaments and competitions, most people I met would never have guessed that I was also an avid 4 X 4er and Fisherman to boot. It is with these stereotypes that we are divided into user groups and thus segregated into areas where our specific activity can take place only.
God forbid that I show up on the beach or river with a Horse trailer, a ATV, and a Kite and want to recreate in one area as I would be forced to travel to 3 different areas. I am finding complete segregation of user groups and the subsequent dividing of these groups by governing agencies in their rules and regulations thus creating the hardships and divisions we are currently encountering.
I hate to see and hear on a common occurence the consistent badmouthing of one group towards the other, This is what agencies have created through Media mistruths about user groups and we all are subject to hearing it.
Whenever I hear a Rafter or a Fisherman or a Hiker repeating these statements I internally cringe at the mentality of their pre-set socially engineered cro-magnon thinking and I walk right over and offer to enlighten them to which they are usually amazed at what they have been told to think is in direct inconsistence to everything they have believed for so long.
Education, Education, Education, The next time your out prospecting and you see someone watching you and they look like they are interested, I ask you to invite them over and educate them a little differently than what they get from the magic box in their entertainment center at home.
If we have the education, then all the government issues will be much easier to confront with facts and actual experience that we have shown others. To hold the government agencies accountable, we must EDUCATE the drones from the magic box and get them interested in the facts pertaining to the outdoors and our way of life.
Find local Chat / Forums in your area that involve other activities you do, and join them in discussions about your other hobbies or way of life. i currently subsribe to 18 different forums based on all sorts of hobbies that my family participates in. almost everyone is aware of the segregation of users based on biased groups wanting your activity out of the way of theirs.
Communication, Education, Recreation, are just the start for all of us.
See you in the rivers with a Kite, Horse, Dog, Raft, BEER & DREDGE in no particular order.
Redpaw
Posted by: Mrs.CP Jan 19 2004, 12:01 PM
Dan told me he got it from Anita........ 
..So she could very easily be the writer.
I'll get back to you on that one, but I do know it's someone I want on my side.
Posted by: russau Jan 19 2004, 06:45 PM
lots of deep thinking going on here!! i agree!!!
Posted by: Mrs.CP Jan 20 2004, 10:07 AM
It's Confirmed
It was Anita that wrote that. She told Dan to post it, because she was affraid she was posting too much. 
Get in here girl...and let that voice be heard!
You could never post to much in here. 
We hope to hear more from you soon.
Denise
Posted by: Redpaw Jan 20 2004, 06:54 PM
very well written and tell her for us will you. !!
Incase you don't get her the message....
HEY ANITA COME BACK
its wintertime, you can split wood tomorrow and process the fines tonight... 
Posted by: Mrs.CP Feb 3 2004, 02:00 PM
They are working on getting connected to the internet, so it shouldn't be long now before they are in here posting again. But I will pass on your message to her.
Posted by: Mrs.CP Apr 1 2005, 07:09 AM
I just wanterd to bring this back up to the top .
Posted by: Redpaw Apr 1 2005, 11:26 AM
Still a good read.
Posted by: Mrs.CP May 11 2009, 02:23 PM
Just a reminder how one voice can make a differance.
Let your voice be heard!!
Posted by: rokonrandy May 17 2009, 07:56 AM
Let your voice be heard!!
Gold Dredging in Ca. Has anyone seen anything on TV or in the newspaper in the past month or so on this issue? please respond. This is the same post I made on Rokon World about 2 weeks or so before the news paper articale came out in the Sacramento news paper about AB 1032 by Wolk. If things are as they seem then some one will get a ego trip going and get some press on this issue, There are 30 pluse million people in California and the word is not getting out, if some one does a articale and does follow up then the word is getting out. Follow up does not mean give up, real important to remember this. I can not help u if u do not help your selves. This should be good, anyone willing to write a resolution declaring your triditional rights to search for gold in the rivers and streams for your pleasure and challenge of man hood. DO IT R
Posted by: russau May 18 2009, 05:35 AM
info about this is all over the net! the new 49ers, gpaa, 49ermike, leonard leepers site, emails.....California comments and out of state people need to fax their comments in by noon today to be there in time for the vote.
Posted by: rokonrandy Jun 19 2009, 11:10 AM
Russau this is not real it can not be real turn your brain on. a life time of bad choices and you keep showing it. All the web sights in the world. you are part of the problem. 38 million people in California and a issue that is just un beleivable. Ok this is beyond words that I can put here. The internet, this is all you can do? It is summer where is the news Do your self a favor. R another case of mind boggling
Posted by: ColoradoProspector Jun 19 2009, 12:32 PM
I don't think we need to be singling anyone out here Randy. Russ has been involved in trying to attract new attention/people to prospecting for years and when ColoradoProspector hosted the Rocky Mountain Miners Rally in 2004, Russ was the one who helped out the most while there......spent the entire time at the greeting booth and interacted with some where near 1500 people over 3 days.
I'm also pretty certain it wasn't Russ's assigned duty to "get the word out" on the net for the issue AB1032 (now is SB670 I think) you mentioned...........Why wasn't it exposed or talked about more? Good question because I agree, more knowing sure would help I would think. Maybe you should be asking those who are supposed to be "getting the word out".....and continually asking for money to do so.
Personally I'd like to see more posts/interactions on these types of topics here too, but some folks just aren't into the discussions....doesn't mean they aren't reading, learning and or interacting as citizens on issues. While you might not feel someones attempts are what is needed, I feel more constructive/instructive posting would be more helpful.....not just by anyone person, but in general by all. How to respond on issues or how not too....etc. Why is it important to respond and what happens if they don't? Not the issue itself, but what about the rights lost.....ie right to be involved in actions against later or not.
While there are many groups fighting against anti mining groups..........sending them money should never replace ones own participation at the citizens levels.
On a side note.......recent articles claim the internet news is not only reported much faster but also is much more accurate.
Good way to get the word out I would say.
Ok, lets keep things constructive. We are all in this together, and we all do what we can how we can. 
CP
Posted by: russau Jun 22 2009, 04:51 AM
Randy i really dont understand where your coming from with your answer.i belong to several clubs/organizations((PLP,resources coalition,and others)i have been making cash donations to these and other grouops.i have been spreading this and a lot of other info out to the websites for all to read. i have sent my comments in, i have called different states, and i have contacted tv stations/newspapers of this and other info pertaining to mining,potential new laws and such. do ing this is almost a full time job!as i see it, most people in small scale mining dont want tobe bothered by this political stuff, and they dont even lift a finger to do anything........so why am i the problem? what is it that i said or do that you say that im the problem and i need to turn my brain on?? you may be correct! i might! but id like you to expalin it to me so i will know also!and im not trying to start anything! id just like an explaination.
Posted by: russau Jun 22 2009, 05:12 AM
in referance to randys comment to me, if you look at all the lawsuits that have been started and won for all the states,then you look at just who is really doing the fighting for our rights,i have to agree with Randys attitude on this! it is really frustrating tobe out there fighting,calling,sending faxs,comments,spreading the word to other miners ,all the while some websites say,"no political posts here or youll get banned!"and then you see/hear people say,i didnt hear about that!" or <who is that group?"," can they be trusted or are they just mining the miner?"fact of the matter is, most of us are just to lazy to become involved with saving our rights! most of us just want someone else do it for them!"its not happening in my state, so the heck with them! let them fight their own battels!".......................this is frustrating to think miners will allow a seperation of their rights over this!do people understand that these rules in other states will spread across our country if passed in another state? actually, we all need to look at ourselves and say"what else can i do to help fight for my rights?"
Posted by: rokonrandy Jun 24 2009, 09:37 AM
Russ this was not ment directly at you, I really felt bad for doing it and I am very sorry that this web sight does not have delate button. This does not change any thing. The winds of change are upon us. I donot want to see dredging go away any more than you, but I am realistic, a direct lack of communicating with the public on this issue will create a environment that would not be conductive to anyone but the people who wanted it gone. Will the people off Ca be happy about the way it was handled? I do not think so. Resistance would be cheaper than what is happening now. I do think about the future of America, The internet breed a generation of cannts and wounts, Why do you think no one carres, over load of info and constant attack by hackers makes the internet not a good tool for getting the word out, One news paper articale with follow up that would get the info out to maby 1.5 million of the 38 mill that live in Cal. Any scammer with any ability can see 1.5 mill suckers waiting to be plucked. The after effect will be bad. Look what a bad eggo trip has done. A add agency would have been good, nothing I can say will change it, We will see if CP has the chat transcripts from the 3 week period that Thornberry got scamed out of a sizable amout of money on the web sight. And the Geology office in Mirlin Oregon is closing and all the stuff I loaned them for show I had to go and get back. This is not good. I will be good to see if any one reads this, and the issue useing the internet as a primary tool will have to be got out to the masses and we will let them determine if they agree with it. nothing I can say will change any thing. R
Posted by: russau Jun 25 2009, 06:19 AM
well in point i have to also agree with you. ibut i think the internet is a valuable tool to get the message out to those that actually do care and are willing todo something about it! but this is only the start of it. we do need to get the message/stories out to the news papers/tv stations/and the public so that the word does get out to all that are willing to read it and hopefully do something about it!but i think most people are to lazy or just dont care or believe what these wacoenviromentalits are saying with the lies they bring up and the big buck tv adds the envirmental groups have access to! they would spend $1 million dollars to keep us from dredgeing $1.00 in gold.yep the internet isnt the only way to get the message out, but its a start!and Randy i didnt take any offense to your initial comment, but i was just curious asto where it came from.
Posted by: ColoradoProspector Jun 25 2009, 11:56 AM
Sorry Randy but we don't have those transcripts on hand any longer. I do remember some of those discussions in chat though and I would like to make it clear that Mr. Thornberry was not scammed by this website......it was a different site/company not related to us in anyway.
All posters can edit their own posts for a 24 hour period after posting but we don't allow deletions.
Can't be said enough..........folks have to read up to understand what is being refered to here and what this thread was started about "let your voice be heard" is at the crux.
There are reasons to read up.....even though it's not what you want to do. First learning about how to interact as a citizen to be a part of the law/rule making or not. Then how to address specific issues.
quoting from the first post of this thread
CP
Posted by: rokonrandy Jun 29 2009, 08:35 AM
709 lookers, not bad, so far. The internet, what a deal. It is like any other business. Allways looking for new customers, Why would anyone limit there ability to communicate with the public on issues that effect every one. One other thing, I have not dredged for years and the frustration I feel does not have any thing to do with dredging. How many law suits are there. Do the new members know that they could be held accountable for any thing that has happened before they become members? My frustration comes from seeing things take place that I consider less then good politics, this all about politics. What about all the people who will not get to do the dredging thing? Lucky them. People this is mining, I has been historically been a place for the scammer. R How many of you people think the internet is a good primary tool to reach the 38 million people in California vurus the news paper TV radio and other printed work? 715 lookers. shotting for 1000 lookers
Posted by: russau Jun 30 2009, 05:21 AM
well i think the internet is a good starting place to get the news/facts out to those that will contact tv/news papers and such. but the internet isnt enough exposour to the public and thats where we need to be aiming our info to, in any form that we can get so they have access to this info.
Posted by: Mrs.CP Jan 10 2011, 08:26 AM
Just a little bump so all can read what Anita wrote.
Independent miners are an endangered species! If we do not stand together now, we will fade away and our prudent mining claims will eventually become government operated fee-digging areas open to the general public.
Mining, agriculture and timbering built this nation. These industries are now being regulated right out of existence by various public land management agencies and private organizations focused on preserving wilderness areas.
When these agencies were created, it was their primary objective to protect the environment from degradation and pollution caused by industrial activity. We can all agree that there must be some regulatory provision to accomplish this goal, and that the wise management of natural resources is in the best interest of the entire public.
But whom do we call on for help when these agencies fail in their obligation to assist us in this responsibility? What can we do if an agency decides to prevent or prohibit our activities for arbitrary and capricious reasons when we know that we have the right to conduct our operations lawfully? What if an agency does not adhere to the regulations it has prescribed for the rest of us to follow? Who will help us?
If we stand alone, no one may ever even hear our cry for help. But if we stand together, we will not be ignored. It is the responsibility of our government to help us, but we must be loud enough to be heard. First, we must call on each other. We must make the time to become involved with those around us who also treasure their right to mine valid claims. We must share our experiences and our knowledge. We must voice our opinions and support each other on important issues that will set a precedent for everyone.
Through awareness, we can gain strength, and our voice will be louder. It is easy for an agency to ignore or misplace a single letter, or to mislead an uneducated person. But if we all write letters, they will not be ignored. If we help each other out, we will not be so naive and confused. Instead of having our questions and concerns trivialized by agency officials, we will begin to see our needs and goals being acknowledged and taken seriously.
It is not our goal to change the law. It is our goal to make sure that the agencies that administer regulatory authority follow their own directives and procedures and treat us fairly and in a manner that is consistent with the objectives of the Mining Laws and land management responsibilities. Together, we can achieve this goal.
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