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I found this pretty easy to follow., Anatomy Of a mine, From prospect to production
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post Oct 1 2011, 10:59 AM
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Found this nice little PDF on the Forest service website :

Anatomy of a Mine , From Prospect to Production

pretty much sums up ALL the basic stuff into a nice little package without getting too spread out all over the internet. :D

Didn't know if anyone had seen this document or not, but i'm sure it could be of some use for some newbies (like myself) .

it gets in depth but not necessarily like reading "Mining Law " it's self.

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post Oct 2 2011, 04:36 AM
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it maybe interesting to compare it to the actual mining law to see if/where "they" venture off to their version/agenda of the mining law. NEVER use their version for your own good!
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post Oct 6 2011, 07:47 AM
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Thanks for posting that up AuRush69, I saved a copy of the pdf and I'll check it over in more detail later. Russ is on the right track though.....Since the FS is not the mining authority (BLM has that authority) and the FS are not delegated any authority over mining, then I'd be very leary to accept "their version" of what they say is the "mining law". The FS is known for making up their own "versions" or personal agendas wrapped up in civil duty's for their job......makes for a mess of BS...or maybe a mess of FSBS would be more appropriate. blink.gif

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A couple interesting sections I found intriguing, were one the topics of Pursuit of Discovery, Protection Prior to
Discovery, and Discovery .

But over all I think it's a good read, they reference the Mining law and statutes as you read along , so you can dig further if need be.

I won't take anything for granted though, one of the reasons I'm looking so deep into this is so that when I do make a good find I want to be able to work it to it's fullest feasible extent, and not have it taken away from me on some mistake.


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I commend you on your research efforts. Keep up the good work Au! happy088.gif


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post Oct 8 2011, 08:59 PM
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russau, Colorado Prospector, you are absolutely right about trusting ANY information coming from the Forest Service, their disclaimer speaks for itself…which can be read from this link: http://www.grantedright.com/The_Myth.html

I would have to say, just by a quick look over of what the Forest Service’s Anatomy of a Mine , From Prospect to Production is putting out for factual information, and considering the number of years I’ve been (and still am) researching the Mining Law, I believe I detect an attempt to mislead with a number of misstatements or outright lies. Knowing about the Forest Service agents blatant in your face lies, it’s not beyond them to commit fraud…and not think another thing about it.

For just one example, on page 15, the first paragraph of Right of Claimants has two obvious fraudulent representations.
That possession limited to minerals only.
And the compatability imposition with the 1955 act.
The grant of the uncommon minerals including the entire surface is mutually exclusive of the reservations of the surface expressed in the 1955 M S R Act meant for common mineral mining claims, shown again at 30 USC 612 (b) the paranthetical exception saving mineral deposits from inclusion as the 1866 grant provisions would require.

With the SWOMA (MiningRights.org) site being down and not knowing when the repairs will be completed, I direct you to my recent post of Josephine County Oregon Sheriff Gilbertson’s letter in which he sites many of the Mining Laws as can be found from the original source. Linked from: http://www.coloradoprospector.com/forums/i...?showtopic=3601
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post Oct 8 2011, 11:45 PM
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music037.gif i don't understand , i think it states clearly that your surface usage rights are intact.

MSUA 1955

SEC. 4 (a) Any mining claim hereafter located under the mining laws of the United
States shall not be used, prior to issuance of patent therefore, for any purposes other than
prospecting, mining or processing operations and uses reasonably incident thereto.

(b) Rights under any mining claim hereafter located under the mining laws of the United States
shall be subject, prior to issuance of patent therefore, to the right of the United States to manage
and dispose of the vegetative surface resources thereof and to manage other surface resources
thereof (except mineral deposits subject to location under the mining laws of the United States).
Any such mining claim shall be subject, prior to issuance of patent therefore, to the right of the
United States, it permittees, and licensees, to use so much of the surface thereof as may be
necessary for such purposes or for access to adjacent land: Provided, however, That any use of
the surface of any such mining claim by the United States, its permittees or licensees, shall be
such as not to endanger or materially interfere with prospecting, mining or processing operations
or uses reasonably incident thereto: Provided further, That if at any time the locator requires
more timber for his mining operations than is available to him from the claim after disposition of
timber there-from by the United States, subsequent to the location of the claim, he shall be
entitled, free of charge, to be supplied with timber for such requirements from the nearest timber
administered by the disposing agency which is ready for harvest under the rules and regulations
of that agency and which is substantially equivalent in kind and quantity to the timber estimated
by the disposing agency to have been disposed of from the claim: Provided further, That nothing
in this Act shall be construed as affecting or intended to affect or in any way interfere with or
modify the laws of the States which lie wholly or in part westward of the ninety-eighth meridian
relating to the ownership, control, appropriation, use, and distribution of ground or surface waters
within any unpatented mining claim.

I like the fact that if the USDA sells the trees off your claim and you need more timber for your mine They have to provide it to you Free of Charge

I need an 8 yr degree to read this lol
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post Oct 9 2011, 11:34 AM
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Addressing the 1955 Multi Use act, so-called, and its applicability upon the granted mineral estate.
http://www.coloradoprospector.com/forums/i...?showtopic=2673
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