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traddoerr
post May 8 2011, 11:40 AM
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I was just talking to a gentleman about the Ark. river North of Beuna vista and they said that is has been closed by the BLM for any prospecting from the GPAA claims down to jump rock, has any one else heard this as well, I haven't had the chance to call the local office yet to confirm. I have fished spots along that stretch but was going to try a little prospecting there this year as well.
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traddoerr
post Jun 27 2011, 10:49 PM
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Thanks CP for your input, I will join as a member as soon as we get a handle on finances (changing carriers).

You are absolutley right about the laws and that you can prospect/mine in wilderness/primitive areas, what my assosiate is saying is that there are new LAWS (not rules or regs) pertaining to use on the public lands that are being designated as primitive/wilderness, these laws were passed along with the US budget, and it pertains to disturbance by use of the public/buisness.

They claim that many of the current roads in use were not put there by the USFS and there for are being closed under the roadless act/managment plan, this hurts every one accross the board from recreationalists/live stock ranching/other industries that relyed on this access and motorized use.

I also know what your saying in the current laws saying about being able to use motor vehicals to access mining claims, ect., but what he was telling me is that motorized use is about to change in these areas until you have an actual claim in place, and he stated that miners/fire wood Co./live stock ranchers and others that rely on some motorized use to aid them is going to be impossible to get approved.

To answer the ? what is the true managment powers of the USFS, it is surface managment, timber/agriculture use/roads & trails, any other surface disturbance that may accure, that is why one has to get a plans of operation filed with them, and then approvel, correct? And the term/law of roadless areas he said means just that, NO new roads/trails. He is trying to get more info this month and lititure that has everything in black and white.

I also asked him what if I want to use a dredger in this area to prospect, he said as it reads, no motors can be used in wilderness/primitive areas with out first getting POO approved, and good luck getting that he said. Now I'm not trying to upset any one or stir the pot sort of say, but, I'm starting to get pi$$ed off about all these new laws, and who backs them.

To give you all a little bit about myself, I have been part of a watch dog group sence 1994, we have lobbyists that we work with and legal consultants, we keep an eye/ear out for any and all outdoor activiteys and small buisnes's, anything that comes along that we feel needs more involvement we try to help, when the CDOW did its first five year season structure for biggame hunting, they (CDOW, Kim Burgess) came to us to get more people involved, Don't think that the USFS only picks on the miners/prospectors (but they may be the smallest group), we have fought battles with them in lots of areas of use, and won most. But with so many liberals in office its getting tougher by the year. As I mentioned when he gets back to me I will post what info I get, my opinion is every one will have to work together to keep what we have now and try to gain back some.
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- traddoerr   Closed area on Ark.?   May 8 2011, 11:40 AM
- - russau   the Arkansa group claims are closed to dredgeing o...   May 10 2011, 05:56 AM
- - ducksnbucks   Hello all,I WILL BE IN THIS AREA ALL NEXT WEEK AND...   May 10 2011, 01:48 PM
- - traddoerr   just read today on hookedongold site that this are...   May 10 2011, 04:56 PM
- - ColoradoProspector   Unfortunately some sites may have unverified rumor...   May 11 2011, 08:26 AM
- - traddoerr   Hlleo All, I just got off the phone with the BLM f...   May 11 2011, 09:07 AM
- - traddoerr   I have talked with John Morrey/Megan ? of the FS d...   May 12 2011, 08:39 AM
|- - Woody   Thanks for passing this information along traddoer...   May 12 2011, 10:20 AM
|- - swizz   QUOTE (traddoerr @ May 12 2011, 08:39 AM)...   May 12 2011, 10:46 AM
|- - swizz   QUOTE (traddoerr @ May 12 2011, 08:39 AM)...   May 12 2011, 11:13 AM
- - traddoerr   Swizz, I agree with you, I believe that they could...   May 12 2011, 10:09 PM
- - russau   just get ready to see this start all over the coun...   May 16 2011, 10:12 AM
- - Coalbunny   His name is John Morresey. Though my spilin' ...   May 17 2011, 06:00 AM
- - ColoradoProspector   The FS has been out of control for many decades an...   May 17 2011, 11:07 AM
|- - Mrs.CP   QUOTE (ColoradoProspector @ May 17 2011, 11...   May 19 2011, 10:28 AM
- - Coalbunny   Dan, I met with Morrisey (sp?) earlier. And worse...   May 17 2011, 06:34 PM
|- - swizz   QUOTE (Coalbunny @ May 17 2011, 06:34 PM)...   May 18 2011, 07:42 AM
|- - Mrs.CP   QUOTE (Coalbunny @ May 17 2011, 06:34 PM)...   May 19 2011, 06:28 AM
- - traddoerr   Coalbunny, not to be nosey but does the worse gett...   May 17 2011, 10:42 PM
- - traddoerr   I wish I had more for every one, but I had to be t...   May 19 2011, 07:54 AM
|- - swizz   QUOTE (traddoerr @ May 19 2011, 07:54 AM)...   May 19 2011, 08:33 AM
- - swizz   Is this area designated as "special use...   May 19 2011, 08:51 AM
|- - russau   QUOTE (swizz @ May 19 2011, 08:51 AM) Is ...   May 22 2011, 06:22 AM
|- - swizz   QUOTE (russau @ May 22 2011, 06:22 AM) Sw...   May 22 2011, 07:37 AM
- - Hanael   Just an opportunity to profess my ignorance but wh...   May 19 2011, 09:00 AM
- - swizz   "Public Lands for the People": PLP They ...   May 19 2011, 09:03 AM
- - traddoerr   Swizz, All, I had another talk with John Morresey ...   May 22 2011, 07:40 PM
- - ColoradoProspector   Thanks for posting your updates traddoerr. Good j...   May 23 2011, 10:42 AM
- - swizz   Thanks CP, that helps clarify things. I had a f...   May 23 2011, 06:23 PM
- - traddoerr   Thanks CP, The expert from the Colorado school of ...   May 24 2011, 04:17 PM
|- - leonard   QUOTE (traddoerr @ May 24 2011, 04:17 PM)...   May 24 2011, 07:23 PM
- - Coalbunny   Ok, my piece. Jon told me that recreational prosp...   May 25 2011, 02:52 AM
|- - leonard   QUOTE (Coalbunny @ May 25 2011, 01:52 AM)...   May 25 2011, 08:51 AM
|- - OklaPony   QUOTE (Coalbunny @ May 25 2011, 04:52 AM)...   Jun 2 2011, 05:38 PM
- - traddoerr   Carl, Thanks for the info. I to had gotton the sam...   May 25 2011, 08:54 AM
|- - swizz   QUOTE (traddoerr @ May 25 2011, 08:54 AM)...   May 25 2011, 09:36 AM
|- - russau   there are some people that just keep saying that t...   May 26 2011, 08:49 AM
- - traddoerr   Thanks SWIZZ, When ever I get interested in someth...   May 26 2011, 06:51 AM
|- - leonard   QUOTE (traddoerr @ May 26 2011, 05:51 AM)...   May 26 2011, 01:59 PM
- - traddoerr   I'll keep an eye open for the post.   May 26 2011, 07:47 PM
- - traddoerr   Oklapony, as long as the area is not with drawn fr...   Jun 2 2011, 07:19 PM
- - ASTROBLEME   Perhaps the phrase "casual use exploration ac...   Jun 2 2011, 10:28 PM
- - Coalbunny   Welllllll....... Actually guys, "recreationa...   Jun 4 2011, 12:47 AM
|- - OklaPony   QUOTE (traddoerr @ Jun 2 2011, 09:19 PM) ...   Jun 4 2011, 04:47 PM
|- - Coalbunny   QUOTE (russau @ Jun 13 2011, 05:34 PM) Ca...   Jan 16 2012, 11:05 PM
- - Coalbunny   EIS, no. Water quality, no. Hydrophysics, somewh...   Jun 13 2011, 02:36 AM
|- - OklaPony   QUOTE (Coalbunny @ Jun 13 2011, 04:36 AM)...   Jun 15 2011, 09:02 AM
|- - Coalbunny   QUOTE (OklaPony @ Jun 15 2011, 08:02 AM) ...   Jun 17 2011, 06:43 AM
|- - OklaPony   QUOTE (Coalbunny @ Jun 17 2011, 08:43 AM)...   Jul 19 2011, 06:02 PM
- - russau   Carl ask Jon to show these words of wit in writing...   Jun 13 2011, 06:34 PM
- - ColoradoProspector   I totally agree with the recreational term not bei...   Jun 14 2011, 08:02 AM
|- - Mrs.CP   QUOTE (ColoradoProspector @ Jun 14 2011, 08...   Jun 16 2011, 07:16 AM
- - russau   when a gubermint employee trys to bully a American...   Jun 14 2011, 08:31 AM
- - 19000mike   So how much of the Ark is closed to dredging? I a...   Jun 26 2011, 10:47 AM
- - russau   its the Arkansa group claim(GPAA) . club claims ar...   Jun 26 2011, 03:15 PM
- - traddoerr   Hello All, Once again I have some more info for yo...   Jun 26 2011, 04:45 PM
- - ColoradoProspector   Hi Mike, you're very welcome and good luck on ...   Jun 26 2011, 09:40 PM
- - 19000mike   Hi all, We miners will no doubt go head to head wi...   Jun 27 2011, 10:07 PM
- - traddoerr   Thanks CP for your input, I will join as a member ...   Jun 27 2011, 10:49 PM
- - russau   well if that troubles you the this ought to get yo...   Jun 28 2011, 05:47 AM
- - traddoerr   russau, done! I had talked to a profesor from...   Jun 28 2011, 09:54 AM
- - russau   AHMEN TO THAT!!!!!   Jun 28 2011, 11:30 AM
- - ColoradoProspector   Thanks everyone for posting up in here and you are...   Jun 29 2011, 12:52 PM
- - traddoerr   Thanks CP & Mrs CP, were looking forward to so...   Jun 29 2011, 04:43 PM
- - ASTROBLEME   Mrs. CP and CP, Your effort to educate is making ...   Jun 29 2011, 09:34 PM
- - ColoradoProspector   Thank you Astrobleme, I appreciate you stopping in...   Jun 30 2011, 01:30 PM
- - traddoerr   CP, thanks for that info. Here is what we have f...   Jul 2 2011, 03:06 PM
- - Coalbunny   I would love to meet you as well OklaPony.   Aug 2 2011, 01:39 AM
|- - OklaPony   QUOTE (Coalbunny @ Aug 2 2011, 03:39 AM) ...   Aug 2 2011, 12:55 PM
- - noob   From Leadville down is considered the Arkansas Hea...   Sep 8 2011, 11:06 AM
|- - leonard   I just got back from 2 weeks of dredging on the Ar...   Sep 9 2011, 06:05 PM
- - noob   QUOTE I heard a comment a few months ago "all...   Sep 9 2011, 06:50 PM
- - noob   As an off topic comment, I see your name on the si...   Sep 9 2011, 06:53 PM
|- - leonard   QUOTE (noob @ Sep 9 2011, 05:53 PM) As an...   Sep 9 2011, 07:45 PM
- - noob   Sorry to turbo post ... If you don't mind ans...   Sep 9 2011, 07:07 PM
- - russau   if youve never had a chance to meet or dredge with...   Sep 12 2011, 07:45 AM
- - russau   Carl to bad you didnt back up your work on a cd or...   Jan 17 2012, 07:04 AM
- - Coalbunny   I had them backed up on CD. Sadly the CD's do...   Jan 17 2012, 10:20 PM
- - hotrod   Well as a new prospecter its stuff like this that ...   Jan 25 2013, 07:39 PM
- - russau   well you dont have to worry about ole salazar anym...   Jan 26 2013, 08:21 AM
- - Coalbunny   Good! I hope so as well, and I'll even ti...   Mar 30 2013, 07:14 AM


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